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#8337627 - 12/09/13 Satanists demand their own statue.....
Deerwhacker444 Online   content
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Loc: OK
...next to the Ten Commandments statue at the State capitol..

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Satanists plan statue to stand alongside Ten Commandments in Oklahoma.

In their zeal to tout their faith in the public square, conservatives in Oklahoma may have unwittingly opened the door to a wide range of religious groups, including Satanists who are seeking to put their own statue next to a Ten Commandments monument outside the statehouse.

The Republican-controlled legislature in the state known as the buckle of the Bible Belt authorised the privately funded Ten Commandments monument in 2009. It was placed on the Capitol grounds last year despite criticism from legal experts, who questioned its constitutionality. The Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit seeking its removal.

But the New York-based Satanic Temple saw an opportunity. It notified the state's Capitol Preservation Commission that it wants to donate a monument and plans to submit one of several possible designs this month, said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the temple.

"We believe that all monuments should be in good taste and consistent with community standards," Greaves wrote in letter to state officials. "Our proposed monument, as an homage to the historic/literary Satan, will certainly abide by these guidelines."

Greaves said one potential design involves a pentagram, a satanic symbol, while another is meant to be an interactive display for children. He said he expects the monument, if approved by Oklahoma officials, would cost about $20,000.

The Republican state representative Mike Ritze, who spearheaded the push for the Ten Commandments monument and whose family helped pay the $10,000 for its construction, declined to comment on the Satanic Temple's effort, but Greaves credited Ritze for opening the door to his group's proposal.

"He's helping a satanic agenda grow more than any of us possibly could," Greaves said. "You don't walk around and see too many satanic temples around, but when you open the door to public spaces for us, that's when you're going to see us."

The Oklahoma legislature has taken other steps that many believe blur the line that divides church and state. The House speaker said he wants to build a chapel inside the Capitol to celebrate Oklahoma's "Judeo-Christian heritage". Several lawmakers have said they want to allow nativity scenes and other religious-themed symbols in public schools.

The Republican representative Bobby Cleveland, who plans to introduce one such bill next year, said many Christians feel they are under attack as a result of political correctness. He dismissed the notion of Satanists erecting a monument at the Capitol.

"I think these Satanists are a different group," Cleveland said. "You put them under the nut category."

Brady Henderson, the legal director for ACLU Oklahoma, said if state officials allow one type of religious expression, they must allow alternative forms of expression, although he said a better solution might be to allow none at all on state property.

"We would prefer to see Oklahoma's government officials work to faithfully serve our communities and improve the lives of Oklahomans instead of erecting granite monuments to show us all how righteous they are," Henderson said. "But if the Ten Commandments, with its overtly Christian message, is allowed to stay at the Capitol, the Satanic Temple's proposed monument cannot be rejected because of its different religious viewpoint."



I'm all for it as long as their Satan statue looks like the Jon Lovitz satan...







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#8337643 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Deerwhacker444]
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This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones.
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#8337651 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Fireball2]
desertoakie Offline
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Registered: 10/19/12
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Now just HOW did that satan statue get demolished last night?? Darn, we need to watch for these things better! wink
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#8337656 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Fireball2]
fish head Offline
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Registered: 03/13/06
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Originally Posted By: Fireball2
This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones.


That may not be true according to the resident expert on these matters.

George Washington worshiped Satan. shocked

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#8337658 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Fireball2]
ldholton Online   content
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 3830
Loc: lawrence county MO
Originally Posted By: Fireball2
This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones.
Oh yes very true but the sad part is this may happen with all this PC BS in the country anymore , how christian does our current comander and cheif seem ?

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#8337668 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: ldholton]
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Registered: 05/23/09
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I'm sorry, but some people just need the schit beat out of them.

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#8337686 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Deerwhacker444]
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?
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your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling

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#8337693 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
Fireball2 Offline
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I worship high country huckleberries. I look forward to the day I can erect a monument espousing the virtue of huckleberry worship.
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#8337718 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?


And to preempt the "The 10 Commandments are for Christians and we're Christians and we've always been Christians" argument....

The 10 Commandments were part of the Jewish law, not the Christian law. Unless you're keeping the Sabbath holy, the big ten AREN'T your religion.
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Originally Posted By: SBTCO
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling

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#8337721 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
slumlord Offline
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Registered: 01/04/12
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Loc: TN
Whew

For a minute I thought the Masons were gettin rowdy again
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#8337727 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?

I'm sure you'll hear plenty of non-religious reasons why not, right here. smirk
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#8337730 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: fish head]
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Originally Posted By: fish head
Originally Posted By: Fireball2
This country was founded on Christian values, not satanic ones.


That may not be true according to the resident expert on these matters.

George Washington worshiped Satan. shocked
Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan. I said that the secret society of Freemasonry did so, i.e., that was its purpose, i.e., to inculcate occult practices and beliefs into Christian society, disguised as Christian practices and beliefs, only gradually having their cloak removed as one advances through the higher levels.
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#8337739 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
JohnMoses Offline
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Registered: 05/23/09
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Loc: Mississippi
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?


Too late...

Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades.

Just throwing that out there....

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#8337749 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Loc: Central IN
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan.


Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: Deerwhacker444
Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

There's a lodge just a few blocks from my home, and I pass it on my daily walks.
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#8337753 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
Deerwhacker444 Online   content
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Loc: OK
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Show me where I said all members of Freemasonry worship Satan. I said that the secret society of Freemasonry did so, i.e., that was its purpose, i.e., to inculcate occult practices and beliefs into Christian society, disguised as Christian practices and beliefs, only gradually having their cloak removed as one advances through the higher levels.


Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: Deerwhacker444
Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?
Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

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#8337776 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: JohnMoses]
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?


Too late...

Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades.

Just throwing that out there....


Allowing people to take off work to do whatever they want isn't the same as promoting a particular religion by placing a statue of a particular religion on government property.
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Originally Posted By: SBTCO
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling

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#8337788 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Registered: 10/26/05
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Saturday i was up in prescott for the annual courthouse square christmas lighting ceremony. Been going on for over 60years. Real big attempts in recent years to shut it down because of religious connotations. Hasn't worked. I will have you know people en masse were singing christian christmas carols and songs all over the place ON COUNTY PROPERTY.
And hopefully will for many more years.
One of the songs was, LET IT SNOW! You guessed it, started snowing.
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#8337810 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: RoninPhx]
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tjm and dw, you can about bet some primordial boolean logic is being formulated.

"I didn't say all; the word 'they' can mean all or some."
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#8337823 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
JohnMoses Offline
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Registered: 05/23/09
Posts: 18276
Loc: Mississippi
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?


Too late...

Christmas is a Federal Holiday and has been for decades.

Just throwing that out there....


Allowing people to take off work to do whatever they want isn't the same as promoting a particular religion by placing a statue of a particular religion on government property.


The government shuts down for the observance of Christmas, a Christian Holiday.

It doesn't shut down for Hanukkah, Eid al-Fitr or Vesak.

Trying to explain it away as comp time is a little humorous, but if that works for you run with it.

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#8337825 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: JohnMoses]
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Shhhhhhhhhh………………


Zero will start shutting down for Kwanzaa…..
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#8337838 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: Bluedreaux]
JohnMoses Offline
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Registered: 05/23/09
Posts: 18276
Loc: Mississippi
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Just throwing this out there....If the government allows a statue to be placed on government land for Christianity, how can they not allow a statue to be placed for another religion?


And to preempt the "The 10 Commandments are for Christians and we're Christians and we've always been Christians" argument....

The 10 Commandments were part of the Jewish law, not the Christian law. Unless you're keeping the Sabbath holy, the big ten AREN'T your religion.


Incorrect.

Much of Christianity is based on Judaism. Ie. the Old Testament.

The first Christians were also Jews. Christianity is descended from Judaism.

Both Christians and Muslims share much of the same ancient scripture that made up the Jewish religion. They all worship the same God in theory.

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#8337848 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: ingwe]
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Loc: Mississippi
Originally Posted By: ingwe
Shhhhhhhhhh………………


Zero will start shutting down for Kwanzaa…..


Or Juneteenth. LOL

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#8337887 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: RoninPhx]
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Registered: 05/21/07
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: RoninPhx
Saturday i was up in prescott for the annual courthouse square christmas lighting ceremony. Been going on for over 60years. Real big attempts in recent years to shut it down because of religious connotations. Hasn't worked. I will have you know people en masse were singing christian christmas carols and songs all over the place ON COUNTY PROPERTY.
And hopefully will for many more years.
One of the songs was, LET IT SNOW! You guessed it, started snowing.


Sure, you can sing whatever you want on government property. That's freedom of speech.
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Originally Posted By: SBTCO
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling

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#8337895 - 12/09/13 Re: Satanists demand their own statue..... [Re: RWE]
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Originally Posted By: RWE
tjm and dw, you can about bet some primordial boolean logic is being formulated.

"I didn't say all; the word 'they' can mean all or some."


I think he's got me on ignore.
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