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Lowa fan here
Tibets, Trekkers (leather lined)- hiking and hunting, love 'em Renegade lo's to work
Tried some Salomon Quest-comfy, comfy right out of the box but leak like crazy
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I think that's a very interesting boot. The rand is a much needed addition to the Perfekt IMO. I'd like to see them in an uninsulated version as well, but I've been really happy with my first set of Perfekts aside from the lack of a rand. Hopefully I won't be buying new boots for a year or so, as my Denali's seem to be wearing pretty well. It would be cool if the Anchorage Cabelas actually opens some day and I can try on a pair of Meindl's before I buy. Never done that before.
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This isn't a response to anyone in particular.
I hunted this year and last in a pair of Scarpa Charmoz, which are akin to the la sportive trango and the subject boot. They have a lot of sole stiffness and moderate support otherwise. I'm a pretty big fan of the concept; they are wicked light and the sole is very grippy. You can really move in the steep rocky stuff. The stiff sole isn't overly stiff for walking on trail or pointing uphill, though heel fit has as much to do with uphill slogging as anything else.
Drawbacks: the grippy sole is rounded off and torn up with only two seasons of use. These boots would get EATEN ALIVE on a rocky AK sheep hunt. Probably fine for the Brooks. They get wet very easily - a seamless leather upper is way better in that regard.
Other observations: I did four very rocky AK sheep hunts in one pair of Alico Guide oldschool Norwegian welt boots, with one resole. The rock was hell on the vibram green-dot soles. I beeswaxed the lower part of the upper, and the leather does not show ANY rock damage, though the leather strap down the boot's back has some stitching damage down toward the sole. Pretty remarkable. The rand on the Charmoz has several small cuts from hunts that involve WAY less rock.
So what is a rand good for then? My opinion: protection of inferior leather or synthetic leather. The abundance of rands may also have to do with the fact that proper waxing of good leather involves some heat, and that might not play nice with sole cement. My Norwegian welt clodhoppers don't care...
I'll soon need an insulated boot as per this year's futzing around in the mid-November Montana mountains, and that means I'll probably have to settle for a rand. The Charmoz doesn't like moving around slowly in foot-deep snow with temps in the single digits.
But for now, I'll keep using the charmoz on earlier hunts, though I may revert back to something with more leather and fewer seams; I'm liking the look of the Scarpa Fuego.
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Vek, I'll politely disagree on the rand thing. There are plenty of randed boots that have every bit as good leather as a lot of old-school stitch welted boots... where a rand makes sense is with the new, glue-on approach to sole attachment. It's a natural and useful addition imo/e.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I have no doubt that there exists good leather behind some rands. Doesn't change the equation though: good leather + wax = rock protection.
I didn't say that rands have no place. On the half-fabric wonderboots (one of which I own, have used, and like), I don't know how else they'd survive in rock.
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I wear Lowa Tibets also. I like them for serious use. I also wear some Renegades for things like taking the 4-year-old on "hikes".
Not much I can say that hasn't already been said about the Tibets other than it took me quite some time to break them in. Once broken in they didn't feel stiff to me any more. The Renegades didn't need breaking in, and never felt stiff. They aren't lasting nearly as long as the Tibets, though.
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Ordered 3 sizes. 11.5 (my normal size), 12 and a 12.5
This is coming down to 11.5 and 12 and I'm having trouble deciding. Going to keep wearing each around the house for the next week, but I can already see this issue: Toe Space
The 11.5 boot gives that "glove like" fit, but I can feel the very, very tip of one toe (not the middle toe) touching the front. I can still wiggle all toes, room in the shoe.
The 12 isn't as perfect of a fit, but a little more room in the toe box. Still good heel fit, no slipping.
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When you lace the boots up tight on the ankle, you want the heel not to slip and enough room in the toe box (1/2") to keep the toes from jamming on steep down hill. If your toes jam you will lose your toenails... make sure and clip your toenails short also.
Just me but I wouldn't keep the one that touches a toe.
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Thanks Kent. Thats my feeling as well. Send back the 11.5, keep the 12.
I was told - kick the wall. If your toes hit the front, send them back.
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I've also heard to push your toes in an unlaced boot to touching and you should be able to put your fingers behind your heel... no heel slippage is paramount regardless.
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Bumping this thread from three years ago to give a long term review on the Lowa Cevedale GTX. At the time of my original post, Lathrop debuted the Tech Lite-Hunter. Sierra Trading Post was closing out the Cevedale GTX at a low price + a coupon code made them $167 shipped to my door. After three years of backpack hunts, here is my take on the boots: Uses: These are my back pack hunting boots for Colorado. My group of elk hunters tackle the steep San Juan mountain range. Our hunts are the traditional backpack hunt: Go in light, find elk, come out heavy (hopefully). In the three years I've had the boots I've packed out 2 elk, none with my tag on them. Maybe this year will be my chance I don't know how many miles I've covered, but nearly all of them are up, down or side hilling. Not many flat spots in the areas of the San Juan where we hunt. Break In: These are stiff boots. Obviously. They are crampon ready, mountaineering boots. These are far from today's trend of lighter, more nimble footwear for backpack hunts. At 3.5 pounds, I don't find the weight to be cumbersome. It took me three months to feel like I broke the boot to mold to my ankle and foot and lose the "ski boot" feeling. I did wonder if I bought too much, too stiff of a boot. More on that... Comfort : These boots taught me a lesson: I like stiff boots. The Cevedale allow some movement of my ankle, but not too much. Some movement of my foot, but no sliding. I can customize the fit by locking the laces tighter, or letting them be a bit looser. The upper boot is comfortable, like a well worn running shoe, but the support form the boot base remains stout and confident. Durability : I don't hike in them every month. Most spring and summer they stay in the closet. But fall and winter they get a workout. The boots will give me many more years of use. Would I buy them again?: At $167, heck yes I would buy them again. However, when these wear out or blow out or I just want to try something else, I will look for a slightly less stiff boot. I like the stiffness for the mountains, but its no all-around shoe. I like knowing I can side hill, hop deadfall, and work swiftly through rock without a worry about my feet. I have never once had a blister or hot spot. That confidence plus performance in the nasty steep stuff makes them a winner for me, for now. Lowa boots also just fit my feet really well, so these might have made me a Lowa fan for life.
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