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Up until two weeks ago I had only taken hogs with my B92 44 mag when I got an opportunity on an average axis doe.

She lept straight up at the shot then jumped a fence. Zero blood at point of impact, zero blood on other side of fence. I found her about 90 yds away but didn't see blood until the last ten yards with good amount on ground around her. Entrance wound was text book perfect broadside but how could it not be at ten yards.

When I cleaned her I found both lungs pierced, as if by a serrated knife, still pink and otherwise in tact. NEVER seen this before. I have always gotten the red jello innards on everything from 85 grain 6mm to 150 270's. I am less than impressed on how quickly the 44 has put down hogs for that matter. The SKS drops them better, so has the 6mm, 260 and 270.

This is one rifle I don't load for. Am using 225 grain Hornady Lever Revolution and this has to be about max speed impact for a 44 mag. I expected different. Oh- yes there was a decent exit wound.

Not complaining, just reporting. Still love the rifle but will not use on deer again and will aim for the ear on hogs from now on when using it.




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i dont know if i would change anything with a sample of 1.how many times did you shoot the hogs with the same ammo and rifle?did you site in the rifle with 1 shot? think i would work at it a little harder, then change if it was needed. rio7

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First thing I would do is lose the fancy ammo and go with ye olde 240gr JSP.

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Remington short jacket hollow points & max charge of H-110... They'll POP!

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Ken,

The two LeverE loads I'm the least impressed with are the 30-30, and the 44. They hit hard and do the job, but results are the same phenomenon as you described. The 44 mag loads I'm happy with, and they hit the same hole are: Hornady 240 XTP and Magtech 240 JSP. A side note is, at 25 yards, the 200gr blazer GDHP 44 special hits the exact same hole.

Its hard to make a DRT prediction with a lung shot, but they will die.

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thanks all, exactly what I was looking for. JohnnyLoco - it is nice to have that affirmation. Glad you responded with that.

I shot most of those you list and may revisit if I just don't break down and reload for it like I do all other rifles. I like Magtech stuff in my pistols when I can get it. Inexpensive and has proven just plain good, plus they are using the XTP bullets for the 44mag.

Have you shot the 44 spl in a lever? I heard there could be cycling weirdness. 44 spc sounds like fun plinking. In a t-shirt that steel butt plate gets harder with every round you throw down field.


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I have killed lots of deer with the .44 mag, I always either used the 240 JHP's or 270 grain speer goldots......those golddots really impressed me.

thats what id use today if I were using the .44 mag again


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The Hornady 240 grain XTP's results on two deer this year were impressive. One ran a little, but Stevie Wonder could have followed the blood trail by feel. The other was bang-flop.

I am actually looking at using a hard-cast or JSP in the same weight, as the XTP's went through, bet damn did they expand excessively at the velocity I was shooting them out of my 16.5" barreled Handi-rifle.

Like above posters, I have not been impressed with the LeverE rounds in .44 mag out of a rifle.

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If you can find the 270 grain Gold Dots in loaded ammunition or load some up yourself, I think you will be more impressed.

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Originally Posted by kenjs1
thanks all, exactly what I was looking for. JohnnyLoco - it is nice to have that affirmation. Glad you responded with that.

I shot most of those you list and may revisit if I just don't break down and reload for it like I do all other rifles. I like Magtech stuff in my pistols when I can get it. Inexpensive and has proven just plain good, plus they are using the XTP bullets for the 44mag.

Have you shot the 44 spl in a lever? I heard there could be cycling weirdness. 44 spc sounds like fun plinking. In a t-shirt that steel butt plate gets harder with every round you throw down field.


If you start reloading I'll bet you can cook up some real bone crushers for that Browning.

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Ken,

I had some levers that would cycle them fine and others not so good. The problem is, I bought a Ruger 77/44 on a whim and its the greatest Big Bore brush gun ever invented. I sold my B92, and 1894 Marlins for a purty penny. My 77/44 is a tack driver and I ain't lookin back.

Ken, I can also say I switched to Powermax HP 30-30 150gr over the LeverE and the killing diff is like night and day.

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If one wants to see internal Jello, then run slugs at about 3000+ fps.

Heavy and slow will do the job, and one can usually eat right to the bullet hole. Several tons of buffalo in this country fell to slow poke 45 and 50 calibers. Take low heart shots, and one will see blood a good bit quicker.


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I shot a button buck with my BIL's Ruger 77/44 using Winchester white box 240gr. JSP. A high lung shot @ 60yds. resulted in a bang-flop.

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77/44, Lil gun, 300 grain Beartooth WFN at 1574 fps.

Big holes in lungs, an NO PROBLEM breaking running gear.

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Used 24 gr. H110 with 240 XTP's on a few deer with a 77/44. Either DRT or 10 yards longest run; lung shots with no major structural damage. Don't plan on changing.

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Like others said, you are seeing the difference between fast small bullets and slow big bullets, except usually the big slow ones leave a big blood trail. I hunted for years and killed many deer with a 270 with 130's and never had to track one. Maybe 19 of 20 died in my sight.

When I started hunting with bigger calibers I had to start tracking. Most of those were with a 35 Whelen and a 458 Win Mag. Almost everything I shot with the Whelen and 200's and 250's, and 400's in the .458 ran 50 to 100 yards. This was mostly when I shot the deer through the ribs and didn't hit shoulder or spine. If I hit bigger bones, they dropped. The longest I have had any deer run, including 15+ archery kills, was a big doe double lunged with a 400g Barnes original.

I found 180's in the Whelen and 300's in the 458 acted more like the fast light bullets I started with in the 270.


As a sample of one, my wife killed her deer with a 44 mag and 225g FTX this year. She hit it in the neck, head on. The bullet came very close to the spine, hit lung and liver, and stopped in the full stomach. The deer dropped, probably because it was so close to the spine. I was impressed by how much quieter the 44 was than out high power rifles. My wife is still on cloud 9 about her big buck, her first buck and only second deer.


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Thanks guys - good stuff and it is always good to find others having the similar experiences and opininions. I have been loading different rifle chamberings for years but not pistol cartridges. Thinking that may change before long. For the time being I will be looking for some different factory ammo.


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Originally Posted by 1minute
If one wants to see internal Jello, then run slugs at about 3000+ fps.

Have you got a load for my 12 gauge that'll send a Foster 3000+? That'd be awesome!


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I have killed several deer with 44mag. Two with handguns one using win 210 sthp and one with win 240jsp. Two with Win 94 16" barrel using 240 xtp's. Two with H&R using magtech 240 jsp. All close range except one was 110y. All went down on impact but not instant death. Hit all in shoulder. All bullets exited except the 110y yard shot; recovered expanded xtp in other shoulder. Hoping to try some 200 xtp's.

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I have killed several deer with 44mag. Two with handguns one using win 210 sthp and one with win 240jsp. Two with Win 94 16" barrel using 240 xtp's. Two with H&R using magtech 240 jsp. All close range except one was 110y. All went down on impact but not instant death. Hit all in shoulder. All bullets exited except the 110y yard shot; recovered expanded xtp in other shoulder. Hoping to try some 200 xtp's.

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