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Steelhead always says "deer are more impressed with velocity". Truth! At the same ranges a 223 with a good bullet in my hands makes things happen much faster than two 44 carbines I have owned and sold off.
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First thing I would do is lose the fancy ammo and go with ye olde 240gr JSP. +1
Seems we constantly hear about how Social Security is going to run out of money but we never hear about welfare or food stamps running out of money. What's interesting is the first group WORKED for their money but the other group didn't.
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Steelhead always says "deer are more impressed with velocity". Truth! At the same ranges a 223 with a good bullet in my hands makes things happen much faster than two 44 carbines I have owned and sold off. I lost hearing in the marines. The 44 mag out of a 16" carbine kills deer just as dead, and it's a lot easier on my ears. Most of the time I can get ear plugs in, but when I can't, it makes a big difference.
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I am agreeing on the speed- jello - kill thing. Think I will try some 200grain XTP. What I noticed from this thread- oh manners- HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone- was that results on heavier than 240 grain seem better?? How are the 200 to 185 grain on deer or hogs? I should say I am a double lung guy, not a shoulder shooter. Good thread, I hope it continues.
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200gr XTPs from a six inch M629, or a 24" barreled 444 Marlin, same result: One shot, one dead deer.
Hercules 2400 in the handgun, IMR 4198 in the rifle. Both loads accurate, both resulted in several dead whitetails, mostly lung pops.
Or more accurately, de-lungers with the Marlin.
It's a bullet I was pretty fond of when I had that rifle.
FWIW: Had a "Puma" M92 in 44 mag (24" bbl) for a few years, but never got around to killing a deer with it, eventually sold it. Hornady custom 44 mag factory loads in 200gr XTP, did shoot exactly the same at 50 yards, as my own loads using that bullet in that rifle.
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I have killed 7 deer, and a number of hogs, with the Speer 270 GDSP. I load these, and my Marlin 1894 shows 1630 fps.
While I don't get 'red jello', I do get pretty dead animals. Most don't go far after being hit.
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A close family friend who has since past ,killed untold numbers of whitetails and black bear with a 44 mag in the Adirondacks ,with factory loads with NO Complaints ,in fact I picked up a Ruger 44 auto carbine in honor of him ,I haven't had the chance to christen it yet
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First thing I would do is lose the fancy ammo and go with ye olde 240gr JSP. +1 No need for the other stuff really. I and children (grown now) have shot a lot of WT with the 44 Mag in rifles (levers and bolts). I reload so at one time or another have tried just about all there is in the 44 case. They will all work, but none ever did any better then a 240g pushed hard by H110. Many I know hunt with factory 240g and always good results Can not comment on Hogs personally as we do not have them to hunt up here.
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I've killed a WT doe and a 6' black bear with a 44 mag. Both were shot in the shoulder and both dropped in their tracks. Shots were fired from a Marlin 1895 and a Ruger Vaquero. Factory Partition Gold 240gr. slug - I think it was a Winchester Supreme line. Haven't seen them in years so probably aren't made any longer, but in my sample of two, that was a kick azz load.
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I've shot a few whitetails with Remington 240 grain JSPs from a Ruger 44 International. All died, but none died as quickly as those shot with more fragile bullets launched at higher velocities.
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I am agreeing on the speed- jello - kill thing. Think I will try some 200grain XTP. What I noticed from this thread- oh manners- HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone- was that results on heavier than 240 grain seem better?? How are the 200 to 185 grain on deer or hogs? I should say I am a double lung guy, not a shoulder shooter. Good thread, I hope it continues. I think it depends a lot your hunting conditions. The area I hunt is thick as hell & steep - nearly vertical in some places. A deer running 30 or 50 yards could mean the difference between an easy drag, or at my age, a heart attack. A 240gr JSP in one or preferably both shoulders solves that problem nicely.
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Run Hps on deer and it will be better.
And don't believe that a pistol round will do a bang flop like the TV always shows...
They all have to bleed out to die unless like the one poster, you shoot high shoulder and hit CNS.
I always expect to have to look for deer shot with " non rifle" rounds.
Totally different game going on there.
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They all have to bleed out to die unless like the one poster, you shoot high shoulder and hit CNS. That is the trend I've noticed over the years. The deer I shot with a .243 this year ran farther than the deer I shot a couple days earlier with a 77/44. Both lung shots, .243 lungs were soup. Both were totally unaware of my presence. The farthest run I've had was with a .45-70, 300 grain Speer UniCor at 2212 fps muzzle velocity, 20 yards to impact. Lung shot. Shortest--Several DRT with a .30-30, 170 grain bullets and shoulder shots, one with a .300 WinMag, 165 Sierra HPBT Gameking, 40 yard shoulder shot (total loss of shoulder). One with a .45-70, 300 grain Speer UniCor, shoulder shot, and one with a .30-06 165 grain Speer HotCor, 2800 fps. You guessed it--Shoulder.
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Run Hps on deer and it will be better.
And don't believe that a pistol round will do a bang flop like the TV always shows...
They all have to bleed out to die unless like the one poster, you shoot high shoulder and hit CNS.
I always expect to have to look for deer shot with " non rifle" rounds.
Totally different game going on there.
Well, 200gr XTPs are essentially HP bullets and I don't "do" TV hunting shows. ;O) Have killed whitetails with them using a 6" S&W M629 and a 444 Marlin. Used Speer 200gr HPs in the Marlin before XTPs hit the market. The rifle was far more accurate with both 200gr HP pistol bullets, than with 240gr SPs. Groups at 100 yards were generally two all but touching, one within a quarter inch of the other two. That's scoped/rested, although I only had the scope on for one deer season and killed one doe with it that year. The other deer were killed while the 444 was wearing a receiver sight. At closer ranges with the pistol and most often with the Marlin, went with either shoulder or heart/lung shots (whichever was presented). Think the longest poke ever taken with the 444, was probably around 65 yards? No extry drama, just dead deer. Generally dead where hit. I was happy all around with those set ups.
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The two LeverE loads I'm the least impressed with are the 30-30, and the 44. They hit hard and do the job, but results are the same phenomenon as you described. The 44 mag loads I'm happy with, and they hit the same hole are: Hornady 240 XTP and Magtech 240 JSP. A side note is, at 25 yards, the 200gr blazer GDHP 44 special hits the exact same hole.
Its hard to make a DRT prediction with a lung shot, but they will die. Wow! I feel just the opposite regarding the Leverevolution in 30.30. Maybe it is luck or I am just shooting better but I believe they are putting the deer down faster than any load that I have used.
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Its hard to beat the xtp bullet. Though, on a whim I loaded some plain nosler 240s for my marlin 44 and was very impressed. Good blood and short tracks.
A few months ago I hit the shooters pro shop for 500 nosler 200s. I think those will give great velocity and expansion in my marlins and 629s.
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How are the 200 to 185 grain on deer or hogs? I've had good results with them on deer from both handguns and rifles. Reality is there are no "bad" loads for deer in a 44 mag. I do think the lighter bullets have more "shock " value, but I've killed a herd of them using 300 gr XTP's too, starting at about 1600 fps
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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Never shot a hog with a rifle, just revolvers, 45 Colt 255 grain hard cast, sick with double shoulder shot, second double lung shot after spinning around, dead in tracks. Second one with Winchester factory "deer" 240 grain JHP, 8 shots, no full penetrations, except first shot in leg joint. First in the brush running shot, should have held my fire. All my deer with 175 grain, 200 grain and 210 grain dead right there, in .41 Mag, .44 Mag. One went 25 yards with 185 grain Golden Saber .45 ACP+p. Several with 200 grain JHP and 230 grain JHP at 950 fps +/-. I like 210 grain Remington SJHP at 1300 fps or so, from .44 Mag. If they were avialable for handloading, I'd try Winchester 210 grain Silvertips. Type of bullet is more critical than weight, despite my prejudices, self-defense bullets frequently "fail" with no significant exit wounds, but kill effectively with lung shots. Harder bullets shock less, but give full penetration, in my experience. The 300 grain XTP, non-magnum in .45 Colt at 1150 fps from a 5.5 inch Ruger Redhawk mountain lion or 280 grain cast from Ruger Blackhawk on elk cow work at 1050 fps. .44 Special, 240 grain SWC at 1150 fps on water buffalo cow, two shots, ran 100 yards. Should have aimed for near shoulder instead of just behind it. The second shot penetrated the far shoulder except for the skin. Pick your bullets, pick you shots, try for the perfect first shot, but keep shooting if needed.
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Though I would choose a 45 Colt every time over a 44 Magnum, I don't think you can fault the cartridge.
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Never shot a hog with a rifle, just revolvers, 45 Colt 255 grain hard cast, sick with double shoulder shot, second double lung shot after spinning around, dead in tracks. Second one with Winchester factory "deer" 240 grain JHP, 8 shots, no full penetrations, except first shot in leg joint. First in the brush running shot, should have held my fire. All my deer with 175 grain, 200 grain and 210 grain dead right there, in .41 Mag, .44 Mag. One went 25 yards with 185 grain Golden Saber .45 ACP+p. Several with 200 grain JHP and 230 grain JHP at 950 fps +/-. I like 210 grain Remington SJHP at 1300 fps or so, from .44 Mag. If they were avialable for handloading, I'd try Winchester 210 grain Silvertips. Type of bullet is more critical than weight, despite my prejudices, self-defense bullets frequently "fail" with no significant exit wounds, but kill effectively with lung shots. Harder bullets shock less, but give full penetration, in my experience. The 300 grain XTP, non-magnum in .45 Colt at 1150 fps from a 5.5 inch Ruger Redhawk mountain lion or 280 grain cast from Ruger Blackhawk on elk cow work at 1050 fps. .44 Special, 240 grain SWC at 1150 fps on water buffalo cow, two shots, ran 100 yards. Should have aimed for near shoulder instead of just behind it. The second shot penetrated the far shoulder except for the skin. Pick your bullets, pick you shots, try for the perfect first shot, but keep shooting if needed. Man you need a little more study!
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