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It won't be a flop - it says Glock on it - but it's certainly not what we wanted.

This "little" glock is bigger than many of the 9mms coming out now. Check out the new little 9 from Remington. It looks sweeeeet. You've also got the shield, the XDs, and several others that are all great.

Glock is a day late and a dollar short. If they brought this pistol to market in 2000, they'd have a winner. Right now, they'll sell some, but only to glock gutys. Too many other great options right now.
the little 9 from remington is 20 oz heavier than a shield or a glock 26. The fact is this new glock sounds about the size of the kahr cm and pm 9 that sOunds like a nice size gun if you ask me.


It IS a nice sized gun, for a 9mm..... Too big for a 380 IMO. By quite a bit.


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Originally Posted by safariman
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It won't be a flop - it says Glock on it - but it's certainly not what we wanted.

This "little" glock is bigger than many of the 9mms coming out now. Check out the new little 9 from Remington. It looks sweeeeet. You've also got the shield, the XDs, and several others that are all great.

Glock is a day late and a dollar short. If they brought this pistol to market in 2000, they'd have a winner. Right now, they'll sell some, but only to glock gutys. Too many other great options right now.
the little 9 from remington is 20 oz heavier than a shield or a glock 26. The fact is this new glock sounds about the size of the kahr cm and pm 9 that sOunds like a nice size gun if you ask me.


It IS a nice sized gun, for a 9mm..... Too big for a 380 IMO. By quite a bit.


well then don't buy one, all the tiny 380's I have owned were junk, LCP, TCP, kahrs p380, all of them had one thing I really didn't like rack the slide to feed the first round and the feeding was very notchy. I suspect this is because the gun was so small.

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CC, you make a great point. It is terrific that we all have SO many great choices these days! Truly a golden era right now for handgun buyers, IMO. I don't mind the notchy feel of the extra small guns, but to some, that might be a deal killer like an external safety on all but a 1911 is for me.


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Not all handgun purchasers are high-speed low drag. I'm thinking there will be quite a few of these sold to Glock fanboys for sure, but also to those that might appreciate the ergonomics of a handgun that doesn't weigh a ton, has an easy to rack slide, with a long enough slim grip and the hope of less recoil and blast than a 9mm and with an ammo capacity that they perceive as enough. They will be bought by some high-speed glock fanboys, but will also end up in the hands of grandmothers, mothers and sweethearts. Many will go no further than the range, nightstand or dresser drawer, the same as happens to a goodly chunk of handguns sold regardless of what we loonies would like to think.

If the most diverse market that firearms owners has ever seen in the history of the world adds one more quality handgun of any stripe, I will not complain if it doesn't fit into my vision of a "must have". The market will sort out the winners and losers. I think there is a market... but not at my house.


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this is a big deal for glock IMO and one frankly I am surprised they are doing. this gun is a TOTAL departure from anything they have made before in alot of ways. All the other models are simply variations of one another, the bigger frame guns like the 10mm and 45's are simply scaled up from the original glock 17, never has glock made a gun smaller than the 17 original platform. yeah we have the 26 and 27 but they are just shortened grips and slides. I can't see them making this change without a 9mm version soon to come.

when it comes to glock 17 and 19 class guns and to an extent the 26 as well, no one beats the weight of glocks, M&P and XD's are always a couple ounces more. Glocks typically have a better trigger too. no one has stepped up with a lighter gun in the same size class that has a better trigger. if they can produce a 9mm and only add 2 oz to what they already go with the g42 AND keep the famous glock trigger with it. everyone is toast in pocket 9 mm's

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they will sell and will sale well!!!

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The new Glock is fairly small and certainly weighs less than my older .380's (an old AMT Backup II and an FEG Mark II APK), but for a small increase in size my HK USP Compact/.40 S&W really inspires my confidence.

Good luck to Glock, they'll probably sell a million of 'em! That's all I can contribute....


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy



well then don't buy one, all the tiny 380's I have owned were junk, LCP, TCP, kahrs p380


My Khar 380 has yet to hiccup, even during the "break in".

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It IS a nice sized gun, for a 9mm..... Too big for a 380 IMO. By quite a bit.


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Originally Posted by dryflyelk
....Glock is a day late and a dollar short. If they brought this pistol to market in 2000, they'd have a winner. Right now, they'll sell some, but only to glock guys. Too many other great options right now.


Glock has a history of being a day late and a dollar short - and still coming out ahead. And there are a lot of Glock guys who will buy it, I'll bet, although maybe not for their own use in a lot of cases.


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy


well then don't buy one, all the tiny 380's I have owned were junk, LCP, TCP, kahrs p380, all of them had one thing I really didn't like rack the slide to feed the first round and the feeding was very notchy. I suspect this is because the gun was so small.


Plus 1, from my POV.

I just can't see the need for the micro 380's & 9mm's.......all of the numerous ones I've shot, shoot for schitt & I place handling & shoot-ability above size & conceal-ability for Joe Citizen.

If I really feel the need for a pocket gun, which I do fairly frequently, then I will carry a J-frame S&W; it carries just fine in a front jeans pocket or various types of khaki or cargo type pants or shorts & IMO, has a much better trigger & is infinitely more shootable than any of the micro 380 or 9mm's.

I do, somewhat infrequently carry a G-26/27, in a holster & it's also a very usable & shootable sized package, but it is not a pocket gun & at about the same size, I don't think the new G-42 will be a pocket gun either.

If for some strange reason I might decide that I need to carry a 380 or a 9mm in a pocket, then it would have to be a jacket pocket & would be the size of a PPK or similar, or maybe the new Glock, but really, I don't think I will be buying one as, at least for me, it doesn't fill any need not already filled by something else done better.

But if I did want a new, shootable sized 380, then I would surely give it a try.

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I agree.

J-Frame or LCR for me. I can't stand the little .380's and I've yet to meet a person that can shoot one worth a schit.

As far as guns for a jacket pocket, I am loving the P7 right now.


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Originally Posted by deflave
I can't stand the little .380's and I've yet to meet a person that can shoot one worth a schit.

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Some say they do...........just sayin'. wink

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Looks like there were some reliability issues with it

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Originally Posted by deflave
I agree.

J-Frame or LCR for me. I can't stand the little .380's and I've yet to meet a person that can shoot one worth a schit.

As far as guns for a jacket pocket, I am loving the P7 right now.


Travis



i'll second on the LCR (and though heavier and not mentioned--a mention on the sp 101).


...sure glad that the venerable p7 is working out well for you. if you tote yours in the pocket--it's the acme of a "pocket rig" to be sure--and very safe, much like the dao pocket rigs that are so much in vogue these days--rigs so much more difficult to shoot well at heightened firing speeds.

at times there are some anomalies, particulary so with the escorts and jaguars. sometimes a few others too;

when the ruger lcp (elsie pea), first came out, a friend of mine bought one. he brought it along one day for testing--it was september of 2008.

surprisingly, it fed several different brands of ammo very reliably. i decided to see how accurate the gun was, especially when coupled with it's rather rudimentary sights--when fired at what might be called somewhat more than "long" distance--for a pipsqueak pistol.

i fired 5 rounds offhand at 20 yards, shooting at a paper plate at slower speed. surprisingly, all five rounds struck inside the inner circle of the plate--i thought this indicated some fairly decent capability for that specific little pistol, with that specific ammo...


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I have not seen any photos on top of a G19 or G26 but this has more pics than I have seen elsewhere. Notice the size on top of the box of WWB.

G42

I found another size comparison photo...
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Little guns have always outsold big guns, and by a wide margin. Look how many more .36 percussion Colts were sold than .44s, and they sold even more .32s.

My hideout gun is a .45 btw - but I think Glock will sell a lot of the .380s. If the arthritis in my hands keeps getting worse, they may even sell one to me.


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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
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I can't stand the little .380's and I've yet to meet a person that can shoot one worth a schit.

Travis


Some say they do...........just sayin'. wink

MM


Oh I know. From the 3yd line they're incredible.


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