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A lawyer has already laid it out in this thread, and he ain't part of the Bible thumping set. Read it and educate yourself.

....ooohhh a lawyer.....

The dissolution and division of property being an entirely different issue than the sanctioning and licensing is what is confusing you.

Me too!!

They are pestilential.

IE:

http://www.wnd.com/2002/09/15294/

One has to be very careful in their choice of words, as one's view of a situation can change with the semantics. "Preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin" is not quite the same as "man on a public street being arrested ...for a breach of the peace and for using homophobic language".
I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. However:
In the first instance, I visualize a Pastor in a pulpit giving a Sunday Sermon, where he warns his flock of the sinful nature of homosexuality. Suddenly the SWAT team storms the peaceful assembly and drags the Pastor from the church in chains.
In the second case I visualize some guy in a public venue with a bullhorn, blocking the way of passersby and trying to whip up an incident by pissing off folks going about their business. A shoving match escalates to a fist fight and the police send in the Riot Squad to restore order.
Neither case is accurate. They are merely my first thoughts , based on the semantics of the media. Also, my thoughts have absolutely no bearing on the facts of the case, that is what the courts are for.
The police did the right thing. Their attention was drawn to a problem. They took action to end the disturbance. They referred the whole matter to the court where it will get all sorted out in a peaceful setting, not in a shouting match on the street.
Of further significance is the fact that all this is occurring in a foreign country where their values and laws may be quite different than what we are accustomed to here in the USA.
On a personal level, I'm quite content to stay home and mind my own business without getting involved in some European crap. While I do support freedom of religion and speech right along with all the other protected rights, I sometimes become exasperated with those who make a pain in the ass of themselves on a public right of way. IMHO, peaceful decorum , good manners, and interpersonal respect rule the day.

You assume that homosexuality is deviant, I assume it is difference. As my Granny always said, "Opinions are like armpits, everybody has a couple and most of 'em stink".

No he did not.

He stated courts are needed to dissolve contracts. Marriage is not a contract. It is a personal relationship and nothing more.


Travis

Read this five times TAK. Read it out loud if it helps.



Travis

Marriage is the most sacred of contracts. You even vow before your God as to the union,for whatever it's worth.

You're a pard and one welcome at my dinner table 24/7 Travis but your personal anger clouds your ability to understand the nuances.

Isolate your issue and I will honestly answer. First honestly isolate your issue, though.

As of now, my buddy is making the cross examination way too [bleep] easy.

I'm all ears.

It's easy. Take 'er away.


Travis

Even according to Adam Smith, the enforcement of contracts is an essential government function.

I didn't know emptying your bag inside a female was a contract.


Travis

Nail on the head !!!

Valid observations.

But what the story says to me is that the preacher was in a public place, probably "street preaching", and he called homosexuality a sin. There is no mention of disturbing the peace, or using a bullhorn, or being physically violent. What it says is that he a woman became annoyed with what he was saying, called the police, and the man was arrested for saying that homosexuality is a sin.

Muslims campaign to make "insulting Islam" a crime. In Canada, they seem to have been successful in their effort. The free speech restriction comes in the form of disallowing derogatory statements about races, ethnic groups, or religions. It all sounds very high-minded, but it is restriction of free speech.

Similarly, the gays are campaigning to make themselves a protected class, based on their choice of behavior. That means you can't discriminate against them. And very likely, in some countries, you will not be able to publicly speak your mind about your views of them. That seems to have already happened in Scotland.

If it happens here, you will indeed spend a lot more time at home minding your own business (read that "not entitled to speak publicly").



As it always should. If everybody did that, the world would be a better place.

Lawyers love laws,,, its called job insurance.

A license isn't required to enter into a contract. The state doesn't have to sanction any contract I enter into.

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No Travis, I'm all ears. I'm trying to understand you.

When you married,how did you avoid the government's role?

Aces and myself have had our battles but he understands the stark differences...and even the subtle ones, it appears.

What did the government do on your case that you or your ex wife didn't first ask it to do?
The state governments respond only to your RSVPs.

Since I'm not having sex with 'em, I'm not catching any disease. Further, any that marry are probably seeking a long term monogamous relationship so that would lessen any tendency to spread contagion. Sorry, but again, no adverse effect on their neighbor. BTW, are blood test still required for a marriage license?

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Sure they do. You've asked them to be a party when you seek the state's sanction of your impending marriage.

Nothing stops you from contractually undertaking a common law marriage with a prenup. The state doesn't force you to invite them into your fiasco, you ask them to.