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Barnes website says max accurate w/.411 300 TSX is 55.5 gr RL 15 @ 2136. Struggling to make 2250 in an ancient design lever action is just where you should be. The original factory load with a cup & core 300 gr was 2204 fps. You want more speed in a .411 300 TSX, get a bolt gun or strong single shot in 400 H&H. My converted 700 Classic (from 300 H&H) nudges 3000 fps. Actually a 350 gr .411 NEI GC hardcast at 2000 fps will do anything you need to do on any NA game. Get out the wet phonebooks and be convinced. A lot cheaper than TSXs too. http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html
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My 405 is a Ruger #1 which is capable of pushing the envelope a tad. I chronoed the Hornady 300 grain flat points factory stuff, and it was clocking an average of 2275 fps. With a good case full of Benchmark, the 300 TSX was Walking on that pretty good, but it is a pretty bully for strong single shot, and not a levergun.
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Benchmark should allow 2400fps with 300 Hornady's at allowable pressures. I have got the spitzers up to the high 2300's in my 1895.
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Do what you will and don't put a pressure transducer on that gun.
When the locking lugs on a post 1876 Winchester lever design fail, guess where the bolt goes ?
People just don't seem to understand that a properly designed .411 bullet at 2000 fps will kill anything that walks in North America.
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Do what you will and don't put a pressure transducer on that gun.
When the locking lugs on a post 1876 Winchester lever design fail, guess where the bolt goes ?
People just don't seem to understand that a properly designed .411 bullet at 2000 fps will kill anything that walks in North America.
Best of luck. If you have transducer data please share. The benchmark data is listed in the Hodgdon Manual for Hornady bullets; 2404 fps from a 24 inch barrel at 42,200 PSI. If the pressure testing at Hodgdon is in error I am sure many of us would like to know. The data for the TSX is very different as it's a much longer bullet and maxes out at 2174 with H4895.
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According to Barnes it maxes out at 2136 w/RL15. Giving up 150 fps to shoot a far superior bullet for BIG game is no sacrifice. The Barnes also has a higher BC and SD. The Hornady is an unbonded cup and core bullet and will never match the penetration of the TSX. The Hornady can go faster because it is a "softer" bullet with less bore resistance than the TSX.
All that said, if I chose to hunt big stuff with a 405, I'd go with the 400 Swift
A-Frame as long heavy bullets always work better on the big stuff. An excellent second choice would be the 400 Woodleigh RNSP designed for the 400 H&H.
The 95 is a neat old piece of history but is difficult to carry, hard to load and the lever throw is clunky at best. If one wanted to hunt with a classic lever gun, a modern 1886 or Marlin 45-70 will push a 400 gr bullet @2000 fps, handles better, carries more rounds and the magazine can be topped up with a round chambered.
A BLR in 450 Marlin also hits the magic 2000fps w/a 400 gr bullet and can be scoped as well.
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There are NO, NO issues with getting the 300gr TSX to shoot SAFELY out of an 1895 @2250 fps(and especially a new one). Even the old ones could handle 3006s with pressures significantly higher than what a 405 WCF at original specs can produce. RL-15 is a good powder as well, but in my experience anything past 55gr the velocity curve pretty much flattened out. VV N-133 works great.
I also have an original (1915) 95 in 303 British. I load it to around 2700 with 150gr Interlocks and 2100 with 215gr Woodleighs. No issues.
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There are NO, NO issues with getting the 300gr TSX to shoot SAFELY out of an 1895 @2250 fps(and especially a new one). Even the old ones could handle 3006s with pressures significantly higher than what a 405 WCF at original specs can produce. RL-15 is a good powder as well, but in my experience anything past 55gr the velocity curve pretty much flattened out. VV N-133 works great.
I also have an original (1915) 95 in 303 British. I load it to around 2700 with 150gr Interlocks and 2100 with 215gr Woodleighs. No issues. Interesting thing with my 1895 is how far out of POI the 300 TSX shoots as compared to the Hornady and Woodleigh bullets. 54.5 grains of RL15 is a very mild load and shoots a full foot lower than my RL7 load with the cup and core bullets. I think upping the speed of the TSX bullets would help. VV N133 looks like a place to start.
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Apparently there are still folks that do not know or understand there's more keeping the bolt out of the shooters eyeball with a Winchester JM Browning designed lever gun than the Marlins...
If you 405 shooters want to get the most out of the cartridge, you'll look to the Rl 12 powder or IMR 4320.
2350 with one hole accuracy using Rl12 and the Northfork 300 ss are entirely possible, and right where my rifle really livs in the groove.
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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So cough up the recipes Ranch! 
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Jorge it's here either here or in the bigbore section, but you'll have to go back about 10 years to find it.
the most expensive bullet there is isn't worth a plug nickel if it don't go where its supposed to. www.historicshooting.com
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Did you notice how small the Cape buff looked next to the 6 foot 10 inch hunter?
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Did you notice how small the Cape buff looked next to the 6 foot 10 inch hunter? Just hired a guy 6 foot 9.... It is a bit tall!
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Just read the book Bear Man of Admiralty Island, a biography of Alaskan Pioneer Allen E Hasselborg. Sad lonely life but he was THE brown bear hunter and guide of the 20's to 50's. He switched from a Win 1886 in 45-70 to a Win 95 in 405 and also had a double rifle in 405.
Just reading the book We Married Adventure, a biography about Osa and Martin Johnson, two documentary film makers of the same era who venture from Pacific Islands to Africa in company with the 405...
That added to Teddy Roosevelt's use makes for a fine piece of Americana in the 1895, 405.
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North61,
The 1895 in .405 was the rifle used by hunter and author Kenneth Anderson to kill marauding leopards and tigers in India. I have just read six of his stories in his Omnibus 2 collection and they are most enjoyable. Like Jim Corbett before him, Anderson loved the animals and jungles of India and was a brave and effective hunter. He mentions the 1895 ,405 only in passing as the tool used to dispatch man eaters and cattle killers.
One interesting bit about the 1895 .405 rifle in the "The Black Panther of Sivanipalli" was that he short loaded the magazine to avoid the possibility of a jam when rapidly working the "under lever" for a fast follow up shot. Have you ever had that experience?
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Never short stroked it.... simply snap the lever like you mean it and it feeds like butter.
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north61 thanks for this great video. stated in a clear concise manner. cranky72
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According to Barnes it maxes out at 2136 w/RL15. Giving up 150 fps to shoot a far superior bullet for BIG game is no sacrifice. The Barnes also has a higher BC and SD. The Hornady is an unbonded cup and core bullet and will never match the penetration of the TSX. The Hornady can go faster because it is a "softer" bullet with less bore resistance than the TSX.
All that said, if I chose to hunt big stuff with a 405, I'd go with the 400 Swift
A-Frame as long heavy bullets always work better on the big stuff. An excellent second choice would be the 400 Woodleigh RNSP designed for the 400 H&H.
The 95 is a neat old piece of history but is difficult to carry, hard to load and the lever throw is clunky at best. If one wanted to hunt with a classic lever gun, a modern 1886 or Marlin 45-70 will push a 400 gr bullet @2000 fps, handles better, carries more rounds and the magazine can be topped up with a round chambered.
A BLR in 450 Marlin also hits the magic 2000fps w/a 400 gr bullet and can be scoped as well.
I just noticed Larry Root the homo is back.. FOAD Larry.
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Another historical link...Kenneth Anderson, second only to Jim Corbett as a man eating tiger slayer used the Winchester 95 in 405 on tigers and rogue elephants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anderson_%28writer%29
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