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Argue all you want guys. There have been several hundred studies done on this. And many more still being done.
As to the native americans of the far north, it should be noted that they eat alot of fish and other items from the sea. Their numerous current problems are well documented. The claims that they were once alot healthier in the good old days have not been properly documented.
I'll give you one example. Take a healthy japanese out of japan and away from his native eating habits, and he become just as over weight with our health problems as we are. Why ? Too much meat, fat and sugar. You can do the same with a rural chinese individual. That's because their diets are based on whole grains, like rice, and vegetables. E

Exercise and stressing the body is the game changer more than pure diet. They come here and start living like the majority. Which for the average person equates to too many carbs of all kinds and not enough pushing themselves.

Sit on your azz all day and eat fish ain't going to get you over the hills.

Stress the body and you need protein for repair, and the findings show it is not only for muscles, but also for tendons and ligaments.

Your .8grams/Kg is for sedentary people. Those who push it need more and it is in the literature and "studies".

Addition: Also recent research is leaning towards the thought the older you get the more protein you need. You still believe eggs are bad for you? One time that was also the current thinking. Today? Not so much.

I don't want to jump into this conversation without reading the whole thread, but I'm a huge proponent of the Paleolithic diet, and give lectures on it at least 2-3's per year. Complex carbohydrates is a 10 cent word that gets thrown around alot. Whole grain bread and pasta are not a complex carbohydrates as many people believe. Vegetable and Fruit are, and even though fruit contains sugar it is the work your body must undertake to break it down from its current form into usable sugar that divides it from sugar put into drinks and food. The China study that is being referenced has some huge holes in its hypothesis that meat is the downfall of our dietary health. Poor rural chinese subsist on rice and vegetables and not meat, this is true, but they also can't afford the decadent desserts and soda and sugary foods that the wealthier suburban countrymen tend to subsist on. Exercise is a given in the paleolithic diet, because food in its perfect form did not come to you, you went to it and sometimes had to chase it down and kill it. Its really common sense when you think about it.

MM