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Originally Posted by prairie_goat
Question: Have you ever owned and killed anything with a 270?


Yes.... and yes....

Like I said, it kills schitt just fine.

They pretty much all kill schitt just fine. To me, the argument is in the minutia...

Please spare me the azz shot at 40 yards in an elk argument. What bullet makes any .270 (or sub-.40 cal) appropriate for that application? Whatever you'd shoot with a .270, I'm pretty sure you'd shoot with a .260 or a Sweede...

Do you see any difference in killing prowess between a .264/120-140 at 2800-3k.... and a .277/130-150 at 2800-3k? I never realized 10 grains and .007" made that much difference to ungulates...



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Like I said. Throw big bull elk into the equation, and you're looking at a different ball game. One I'm not comfortable using a 260 for on a full time basis.

Why is the 40 yard azz shot not pertinent to the conversation?

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In two 22" 260s, I've been at 2950 with 120s, 2900 with 125s. Max. They were happier a bit shy of that. That's my primary beef with trying to push lower capacity rounds to meet larger. I guy has to push them hard, and he still doesn't get there. Same with the 280 AI vs. 7mm Rem Mag. The larger round just makes life easier.

Will smaller rounds work for big bull elk? Of course. But I feel more comfy with a bit more. I didn't arrive at my opinion in a vacuum. I've seen the 270 work, and work well. I've seen some lighter rounds work well, but have also seen some not so exemplary results....as in bulls packing well placed bullets off quite some distance, and quite some distance down. Which meant they needed packed back up.


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Originally Posted by prairie_goat


Why is the 40 yard azz shot not pertinent to the conversation?


Because schitt shots are schitt shots.... caliber/cartridge is irrelevant there.... especially when the delta is .007 and 10- 20 grains in mass....

I know you ain't hunting in a vacuum.... and I know you have experience here.... but do you honestly believe that the above mentioned difference of .007" and 15 grains make any difference at all... given equal bullet construction.

And.... do you really believe that azz shots on elk are a good benchmark for a debate on cartridges that are kissin' cousins?


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I'm in the not enough difference to fight over corner so shoot what you want. The one argument I do question regards the popularity and availability of the various 6.5s and 7mms vs the 270 outside of the US. Can some of the folks such as MD & Ingwe and others that have ample experience hunting in Europe and Africa provide a perspective on this. I am under the impression that the 270 is pretty common in Africa and Europe.

I also would not be surprised to learn that the 270 has claimed more game over the years than either the 6.5x55 or even the 7x57 despite their longer existence. One has to remember that the number of people that actually hunted in the 30 years or so preceding the invention of the 270 is in no comparison equal to the number of people that hunt today. I was looking at the stats on the 2013 deer season in My home state of Ky and there were nearly 80k deer taken in the modern firearms season by probably 300k hunters. What was the white population of Africa in say 1900.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Randy if we haven't found something that improves on the 270 Winchester in 89 years of trying, then shame on us. smile

Generally I think they have but it's funny how it takes a lot of modern technological tweaks to do it; yet when the same things are applied to a 270.....well....then it isn't somehow kosher. grin

The BC's won't hold up...(how do they know this?)....comparing a 150 gr 270 with a .625 BC to a 140 Berger at .618 isn't fair( Well shidt don't blame me! Tell Berger!)

And a .625 BC is fabulous in 7mm;smart shooters build rifles around it! I shoot a lot of 162 Amax myself these days.

But..... give a 270 bullet a .625 BC and the sniping begins! grin

NOW, it's only "one bullet" (I have never been able to fit more than one bullet down the bore at one time. If it's fine to concentrate on a 162 Amax in 7mm, why is it not OK to do the same thing with a .625 bullet in a 270?)..... and the BC won't hold up and the twist is too slow(easily remedied with nothing more than a check payable to Krieger, and a 9 twist 277 barrel is yours!).

So, we are expected to look at the 270 the same way, leave it with slower twists, use standard old bullets with modest BC's, while critics stack the deck with other cartridges/bullets that are faster and with higher BC's.... and then say the 270 sucks. Mmmmm....... smile Something about that is not exactly kosher to my way of thinking. frown

We'll set aside, for the moment, that the 270 Winchester with shidt bullets has slapped more game into the freezer or put more trophies on the wall than any 6 of many of the pets on here combined.

Talk this stuff up, and suddenly you are "jamming" the 270 down everyone 's throats....not the case. Just pointing out flawed thinking. If you are na�ve enough to have anything on here jammed down your throat, you need to get out and kill more animals with more stuff.

No, I suspect that many folks are simply resistant to change.....get entrenched in beliefs, been doing things a certain way with certain things, and the thought that something as old as the 270 could be brought to modern standards does not resonate. It's just too old to ever be modern....interesting. grin



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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Randy if we haven't found something that improves on the 270 Winchester in 89 years of trying, then shame on us. smile
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..... the thought that something as old as the 270 could be brought to modern standards does not resonate. It's just too old to ever be modern.....



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Got both, like both. 260 is a 700 MR, 270 M70 Sporter. Been on a "one hit wonder" kick as of late and think I've settle on 125 NPT's at 2,900 in the 260 and 140 NAB's at 3,000 in the 270.

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Originally Posted by ldholton
The 260 should have been a really hot seller. but remington didn't support its own with goiod ammo selection or make a good varity of rifles so chambered at once in the begining


Kimber 84 and Steyer Forrester are of the highest quality .260s on the market.


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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
Originally Posted by ldholton
The 260 should have been a really hot seller. but remington didn't support its own with goiod ammo selection or make a good varity of rifles so chambered at once in the begining


Kimber 84 and Steyer Forrester are of the highest quality .260s on the market.


I don't think Kimber chambers in 260 anymore.

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Pretty simple to my reckoning. If you have a 260, you don't need a 270 and vice versa. Having both is pretty cool though.given the opportunity I'd welcome having a rifle for every cartridge.


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