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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
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� Previous well documented archeological research findings have not only not refuted any Biblical stories, persons, places, or events, but have corroborated them. Just one example is found in the Gulf of Aqaba (AKA the Red Sea) where robotic submarines have shown the sea bottom strewn with Egyptian chariots. See Exodus.

Many years ago, an old preacher countered the then-popular notion that the "parting" of the Red Sea had allowed wading across in water only knee-deep or hip-deep �

"Glory be to God! All Phay-ray-oh's army drowned in two foot of water!"


saw a show recently that said odds are roughly every 3000 years give or take the weather systems line up and wind can push a fair bit of water away from the northern end of the Red Sea where Moses likely crossed exposing the sea floor and would allow the people to cross and when the conditions change water would rush back in rapidly......miracle wasnt so much that the Red Sea "parted" but that it did so at the exact moment Moses and his people needed it...


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Originally Posted by rattler
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� Previous well documented archeological research findings have not only not refuted any Biblical stories, persons, places, or events, but have corroborated them. Just one example is found in the Gulf of Aqaba (AKA the Red Sea) where robotic submarines have shown the sea bottom strewn with Egyptian chariots. See Exodus.

Many years ago, an old preacher countered the then-popular notion that the "parting" of the Red Sea had allowed wading across in water only knee-deep or hip-deep �

"Glory be to God! All Phay-ray-oh's army drowned in two foot of water!"


saw a show recently that said odds are roughly every 3000 years give or take the weather systems line up and wind can push a fair bit of water away from the northern end of the Red Sea where Moses likely crossed exposing the sea floor and would allow the people to cross and when the conditions change water would rush back in rapidly......miracle wasnt so much that the Red Sea "parted" but that it did so at the exact moment Moses and his people needed it...



The how was it that they passed through the Red Sea on "dry ground"? All kinds of people spend all kinds of time trying to explain away Gods miracles.

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The bible has withstood attacks of greater magnitude than a few old camel bones. I suppose it will withstand this one too. (With or without a strong arguement from the likes of me.)

Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

There's the rub . . . . the Bible judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Get rid of the Bible, and you can live your life however you like without fear in your mind of retribution.

Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Maybe the diggers in the sand have their heads buried in the sand. wink


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they didnt explain away the miricle, just explained how it could have happened with in the natural laws set up by god.......still a miracle that a once every several thousand year event happened exactly when Moses needed it and ended before the Egyptians got across.....


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and just maybe it didn't part exactly when they needed it and there was no miracle. stories change everytime they are re-written.most get changed to suit the writers beliefs.

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Camel bones suggest error in Bible, archaeologists say

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Broncos still lost.


You, you, you mean Bob bet on the Broncos.


I don't know for sure.

I'm just stirring the pot in the opposite direction to Bob.

It hasn't vortexed into a whirpool yet.

Give it time.


Poor Bob. grin


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Quote from Wikipedia article on camels:
Dromedaries may have first been domesticated by humans in Somalia and southern Arabia, around 3,000 BC, the Bactrian in central Asia around 2,500 BC,[14][62][63][64] as at Shar-i Sokhta (also known as the Burnt City), Iran.[65]
In accord with patriarchal traditions, cylinder seals from Middle Bronze Age Mesopotamia showed riders seated upon camels.[66]
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According to Wikipedia�s article on the Bronze Age: Middle Bronze Age (MBA) was 2100 - 1550 BC
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Abraham moved to Canaan from Ur, which was in Mesopotamia. There were not just domestic camels in Mesopotamia prior to 1550 BC; there were also camels that had been domesticated to the point of people riding them. So that�s one possibility for Abraham having camels.

However, the first mention of camels in the Bible was in Genesis 12:16, when Abram (who later became Abraham) was in Egypt:
Genesis 12:16 (NASB)
Therefore he treated Abram well for her sake; and gave him sheep and oxen and donkeys and male and female servants and female donkeys and camels.

When were domesticated camels first in Egypt? Egypt isn�t far from either Somalia or southern Arabia, where camels were domesticated around 3000 BCE. Could domesticated camels have been introduced to Egypt in the 1000 to 1500 years after camels were domesticated in Somalia and southern Arabia? Based on the evidence, there is no reason to doubt there were domesticated camels in Egypt in the period around 2000 to 1500 BCE, and that�s when and where domesticated camels were when first mentioned in the Bible.

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When Dad went back to seminary in 1947, to finish work that had been interrupted in 1926, he was of course appreciably older than his class mates. Usually, he said nothing when they spewed their modern gibberish. Occasionally, the gibberish simply got too inane to tolerate.

Like the time when some of 'em were "explaining away" the miracles (they couldn't be miracles if they could be explained, don'tcha know). They came to one miracle that they couldn't think of a way to "explain," so they concluded that it hadn't actually occurred.

"You mean to say," Dad asked, "that if you can't explain it, God couldn't do it?"

Shhhhh-boom! Silence.


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Half the climatologists swear we're experiencing man made global warming, as well.

Scientists are just pimps chasing research dollars. Throw enough money at it and they'll claim proof that our ancestors were aliens riding 707's.



Gotta agree with this. I always love the agnostic/atheist threadstarters, or thread participants, and how they can't wait to assault Christian beliefs or Christians themselves. The Bible is so very true in referring to them as "fools".


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RWE, I just found that an ape knowing how to bet football better than he was somewhat telling.

Can you imagine him telling you, "Don't worry, they will find you not guilty"? wink

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I'll take the Bible account every time.


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Originally Posted by Ken Howell
When Dad went back to seminary in 1947, to finish work that had been interrupted in 1926, he was of course appreciably older than his class mates. Usually, he said nothing when they spewed their modern gibberish. Occasionally, the gibberish simply got too inane to tolerate.

Like the time when some of 'em were "explaining away" the miracles (they couldn't be miracles if they could be explained, don'tcha know). They came to one miracle that they couldn't think of a way to "explain," so they concluded that it hadn't actually occurred.

"You mean to say," Dad asked, "that if you can't explain it, God couldn't do it?"

Shhhhh-boom! Silence.



So many people try to fit God in their little box. "Professing themselves to be wise they became fools".

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"The bones were in archaeological layers dating from the last third of the 10th century BC or later � centuries after the patriarchs lived and decades after the Kingdom of David, according to the Bible, the researchers said. The few camel bones found in earlier archaeological layers probably belonged to wild camels, which archaeologists think lived there during the Neolithic period or even earlier."

If PROBABLY is good enough to prove the bible is wrong then why doesn't it work the other way?


The Mayans had it right. If you�re going to predict the future, it�s best to aim far beyond your life expectancy, lest you wind up red-faced in a bunker overstocked with Spam and ammo.


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and just maybe it didn't part exactly when they needed it and there was no miracle. stories change everytime they are re-written.most get changed to suit the writers beliefs.


as proven by my past posts i dont believe in alot of the literal translation of the Bible but archeologists are finding that most the people places and a fair number of the major events did happen.....i do believe Moses and his people crossed the floor of the Red Sea ahead of the Egyptians.....just dont believe it happened like it did for Charlton Heston wink


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It happened again 40 years later. God stopped up the Jordan River to allow the Israelites to cross before the battle of Jerico.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It happened again 40 years later. God stopped up the Jordan River to allow the Israelites to cross before the battle of Jerico.


Good point.

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Well now, if they had just picked some camel bones from the dry sea bed, we could pitch them out and see what they said (as a shaman). whistle

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2 Cor4:4 For the god of this world has blinded them so they can not see the light of The Lord. (or something like that)


The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.

If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
It happened again 40 years later. God stopped up the Jordan River to allow the Israelites to cross before the battle of Jerico.


with most miracles it isnt so much that the event happened but that it happened at the exact moment it was needed......


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Originally Posted by rattler
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It happened again 40 years later. God stopped up the Jordan River to allow the Israelites to cross before the battle of Jerico.


with most miracles it isnt so much that the event happened but that it happened at the exact moment it was needed......
what 'natural event' explains the pillar of fire and cloud than held the Egyptians at bay while the Israelites crossed?

Ex 14:20 coming between the armies of Egypt and Israel. Throughout the night the cloud brought darkness to the one side and light to the other; so neither went near the other all night long.


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