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#8585191 - 02/15/14 02:37 PM Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial.
gonehuntin Offline
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The bullsch!tt from the town of Electra, Texas in this 18-minute video will make your head explode. It gets real good in the pre-trial courtroom phase, you won't believe what you're seeing and hearing.
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#8585215 - 02/15/14 02:46 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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Gonhuntin:

You were unlawfully detained and searched. End of story.

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#8585263 - 02/15/14 03:04 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: RobJordan]
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You should bring suit to all involved. My BP is now elevated.

Hard to believe that so many are complicit from the judge on down...
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#8585271 - 02/15/14 03:07 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: RobJordan]
rockinbbar Offline
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I have seen tapes where the guys in them were definitely egging on the cops and pushing the line. I don't think this guy was at all. I think anything he said to the cops was respectful and within the law.

Gotta love it when the city attorney says the constitution doesn't apply to police or courts.

He should also know when he asked about a prior criminal history that whether a person has a prior conviction on anything or not is not admissible into evidence either.

If the lawyers are that bad, how bad are the cops in lots of cases?

The lawyer spoke the truth about "you might beat the rap, but not the ride"...That happens.
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#8585373 - 02/15/14 03:47 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: rockinbbar]
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I hope that mofo prosecutor is not still in office.

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#8585388 - 02/15/14 03:54 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: CrowRifle]
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Originally Posted By: CrowRifle
I hope that mofo prosecutor is not still in office.


You know.... They ALL could have seen things differently than they did within that system. Here's how.

The judge and the prosecutor could have seen how things went, and instead of defending the system, they could have CHANGED the way cases are brought to them, based on this case.

Had the judge and prosecutor passed on the message that they would not take cases on anything that resembled this type of action against citizens, the police would have had no choice but to train better, and raise the bar for their officers. The whole system would have benefitted from these changes.

Instead, they all "Let it ride". Sure, they dismissed the charges on THIS guy, but what about the next dozen guys like him?
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#8585408 - 02/15/14 03:59 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: rockinbbar]
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friggin unbelievable. wow.

always kinda wondered how a cop would react if i was in the right and stood by my constitutional rights. looks like they can pretty much do whatever they want.
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#8585414 - 02/15/14 04:01 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: mjbgalt]
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I didn't know it was a potential crime to fail the attitude test. Unreal. Those guys need a lesson in the Constitution.
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#8585416 - 02/15/14 04:02 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: mjbgalt]
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The only reason it went down like this is because the man's son was videoing the entire thing. Had they known they were being recorded the outcome would look very differently.

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#8585554 - 02/15/14 04:40 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: CrowRifle]
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Everyone from the Judge down needs to be fired and brought up on charges of misconduct. There is no way that should have ever happened. I would sue the whole county. I would be a pain in there butt from now on until I got justice.

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#8585563 - 02/15/14 04:42 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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His biggest mistake was not having an attorney. NEVER try to represent yourself, you will always be treated just like that or WORSE.
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#8585573 - 02/15/14 04:44 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: prairie dog shooter]
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Cops hate the Constitution
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#8585583 - 02/15/14 04:46 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: wildbill59]
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Originally Posted By: wildbill59
Cops hate the Constitution


But they take an oath to uphold it? (So do attorneys BTW.)
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#8585626 - 02/15/14 04:55 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: rockinbbar]
wildbill59 Offline
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He has a right to a copy of that video. Prosecutor was pissed because he didn't go along with their crooked operation of under the Color of Law.
It's true about small town JB's so he wasn't lying about that.

Ya, it's too bad when there's audio to go along with. Isn't it there as some poo poo want to protect them? It goes both ways.


Edited by wildbill59 (02/15/14 04:56 PM)
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#8585695 - 02/15/14 05:14 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: texasbatman]
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I'm sitting about 20 miles from Electra right now. I don't know any of the participants in this, but the PA told the guy the truth about how things used to be, and how they still are a little farther west from Electra.

The two cops are a prime example of what you get for minimum wage.

I don't see where the PA or judge did anything wrong.

If the "victim" does much traveling in rural areas ANYWHERE in the South or Southwest, he may have some experiences that make this one look like a walk in the park.

"Drama Queen" comes to mind.
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#8585725 - 02/15/14 05:21 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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Have driven through Electra many times Gene on my way to see friends and relatives.

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#8585793 - 02/15/14 05:42 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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"Drama Queen" comes to mind.

I woulda just showed 'em my driver's license and explained what we were doing. Freely giving up yer ID in the sticks at night serves the same purpose as when guys out on the plains would discharge their plains rifles into the air on encountering strangers... visible proof of peaceable intent.

Most likely the Cops wouild have given advice on where was a motel I could stop or a convenience store parking lot where we could take a quick nap.

Closest I've come to that is when I was an itinerant longhair passing through Elk City OK one cold February night in '83. I had car trouble that I could fix the next morning when I could see using spare parts I had brung.

I stopped in the police station (Sheriff's office?) and asked where I could park.

Later that evening the guy stopped by in his squad car and told me it was a good thing I had asked where I could park, else with my "long hair and them New York plates" he "woulda run me in like a shot" grin

I dunno what constitutional rights got violated.

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#8585851 - 02/15/14 05:55 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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Electra Texas , population 2769.


Those cops were probably bored.



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#8585891 - 02/15/14 06:03 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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Originally Posted By: curdog4570
The two cops are a prime example of what you get for minimum wage.


You do get what you pay for. There's a little town here that has a Chief who manages a bunch of volunteer officers. Translate that: Officers who were run off or couldn't get hired anywhere else but desperately want to keep their license. I've met two of them (worked with one at a real department before she got fired) and they scared me to think they were cops.

And it's not always true, but every podunk town I've ever seen that started its own police department would've been better served without one.
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#8585940 - 02/15/14 06:14 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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It's videos like this that make it so hard to defend my profession.

I'm truly sorry you had to go through that. Keep posting that video everywhere you can.

And I also hope you're filing a lawsuit
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#8585946 - 02/15/14 06:16 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: pira114]
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P.S. Can I have your permission to use this as a training video?
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#8585977 - 02/15/14 06:20 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
Originally Posted By: curdog4570
The two cops are a prime example of what you get for minimum wage.


You do get what you pay for. There's a little town here that has a Chief who manages a bunch of volunteer officers. Translate that: Officers who were run off or couldn't get hired anywhere else but desperately want to keep their license. I've met two of them (worked with one at a real department before she got fired) and they scared me to think they were cops.

And it's not always true, but every podunk town I've ever seen that started its own police department would've been better served without one.



Yep...and these same guys complaining about Podunk PD will defend, to the end, why we should do it for free.
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#8586013 - 02/15/14 06:27 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: pira114]
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It's videos like this that make it so hard to defend my profession.


I guess I must be missing something.

The guy was wrongfully issued a citation, the Cop did an illegal search.

The REAL story here IMHO is the citizen was freely able to get a copy of the tape from the police department, which evidence exonerated him and the charges were dismissed. I will note too that the Police Chief, whoever he may be (we just hear his voice) seems to be a bastion of common sense in this situation.

Meanwhile, in Texas, I'm sure we have at least a couple of LEO's in the employ of the drug cartels and the smuggling rings. I'm gonna reserve my outrage for stuff like that.

Other's MMV,
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#8586048 - 02/15/14 06:34 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
pira114 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Birdwatcher
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It's videos like this that make it so hard to defend my profession.


I guess I must be missing something.

The guy was wrongfully issued a citation, the Cop did an illegal search.

The REAL story here IMHO is the citizen was freely able to get a copy of the tape from the police department, which evidence exonerated him and the charges were dismissed. I will note too that the Police Chief, whoever he may be (we just hear his voice) seems to be a bastion of common sense in this situation.

Meanwhile, in Texas, I'm sure we have at least a couple of LEO's in the employ of the drug cartels and the smuggling rings. I'm gonna reserve my outrage for stuff like that.

Other's MMV,
Birdwatcher


I just meant the overall behavior and ego of all those involved.

In my agency, you make sure they're ok, smile and leave. Done.

And if you did do something like that, the DA would be having a chat with the Sheriff. And then it would roll down hill from there.

And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?

I for one draw the line at ANY inappropriate or illegal behavior. Period.


Edited by pira114 (02/15/14 06:39 PM)
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#8586064 - 02/15/14 06:36 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: pira114]
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#8586089 - 02/15/14 06:42 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: pira114]
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And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?


Dunno, maybe I'm too Irish, or maybe I've seen too much of life to sweat the small stuff, 25 years in a big city high school and all. I figure if I was at the side of the road that night getting beat to death by miscreants them exact same two Cops would have waded in and saved my life.

Like I said, I woulda just handed over my ID right off, and things woulda prob'ly gone very different.

Or maybe I'm living in never never land I dunno. I've just never had a problem with Cops is all.

Bottom line fer me is, did the Cops pull over with the intent of acting like d$cks. I dunno that that was the case.

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#8586098 - 02/15/14 06:44 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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If that guy had been a negro he would have been in a heap o' trouble, boy, fo' sho'!
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#8586105 - 02/15/14 06:46 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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and maybe a little guts?
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#8586133 - 02/15/14 06:52 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: stxhunter]
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Right? Generally speaking, bored cops indicate that their job isn't necessary.
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#8586141 - 02/15/14 06:55 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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Originally Posted By: Birdwatcher
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And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?


Dunno, maybe I'm too Irish, or maybe I've seen too much of life to sweat the small stuff, 25 years in a big city high school and all. I figure if I was at the side of the road that night getting beat to death by miscreants them exact same two Cops would have waded in and saved my life.

Like I said, I woulda just handed over my ID right off, and things woulda prob'ly gone very different.

Or maybe I'm living in never never land I dunno. I've just never had a problem with Cops is all.

Bottom line fer me is, did the Cops pull over with the intent of acting like d$cks. I dunno that that was the case.

Birdwatcher


I'm Irish too. It's not my Irish heritage that gets me riled up. It's my being an American.

I've never had an issue like this either. But just because we haven't, doesn't mean we won't.

I took this job to serve. Serve the citizens. And not just the ones with big problems. All of them.

When it comes to things like this I hear a lot that it's no big deal. Well, I say it is. It's not up to me what rights you figure are important. I feel they all are. And every intrusion, large and small, should be put in check.

Too many times we draw a line in the sand only to move it back if it seems easier to do so. F that. Put the line where it belongs. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I don't know what the intent of the officers was when they first pulled up. Nor do I care. What I care about are the actions they took once they were there.

I've seen plenty of life myself. Hopefully plenty more.

I'm watching a bunch of 9 year old girls right now having the time of their life during my daughter's b-day sleep over. I can't help but wonder what kind of world they will have to live with if we "don't sweat the small stuff."


Edited by pira114 (02/15/14 06:56 PM)
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#8586152 - 02/15/14 06:57 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: stxhunter]
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My goodness gracious, I just watched the video. (Which I thought was very well done until the "Deliverence" plugs.)

If that would've been me I'd have been fired. Twice.

There's no sense in having a police department if those two are all you can afford.
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#8586163 - 02/15/14 07:01 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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I bet the citizens of Electra LOVE them, though. They keep the Yankees from Dallas out.
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#8586195 - 02/15/14 07:11 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: pira114]
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"I don't know what the intent of the officers was when they first pulled up. Nor do I care. What I care about are the actions they took once they were there."

Man and woman outside the vehicle by the side of the road at night?

Kidnapping comes to mind.

Transporting illegals?

I'm not generally known for defending the cops when they are accused of wrongdoing, but this particular citizen takes hisself way too damn seriously for my taste.

The PA was top notch for a small town.
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#8586206 - 02/15/14 07:14 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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This is just the opposite of what happened to me and my family back in the winter of 1996 when we were moving from Pensacola Florida to Oklahoma City. There was a cold streak down south, just like now. We were in our 1991 Mazda MVP, pulling a trailer hauling my 1965 Mustang. Making a PCS move from NAS Pensacola to Tinker AFB. My van broke down along interstate 10 in Mississippi around 4:00 pm. By the time it started to get dark, and much colder, nobody had stopped to help us. Finally around 7 pm a Mississippi Hwy Patrolman stopped and helped us. He took my son to a U-haul place to rent a truck while I stayed behind to watch my mustang and family. It was really cold and shortly another MHP stopped and let my wife and two other kids and me sit in his patrol car with the heater running. When my son returned with the U-haul, both cops insisted on helping us unload the van and put our stuff in the u haul. I tried to talk them out of it, but they insisted. I told them I had a chitload of rifles and handguns in the back of the van, including several tactical rifles, and they just laughed and said "so what? This is America!"

Well they escorted us to a hotel down the road where we stayed for the night. I tried to buy their dinner, but they wouldn't hear of it. The next day I got a tow truck to pick up my van and take it to the local Mazda dealer.

When we reached Oklahoma, I wrote a letter to the editor of the Picayune Times as well as to the MHP thanking these exemplary officers for a job well done. The editor of the paper sent me a copy of the paper in the mail. So there are good and bad cops. I'm guessing there are a lot more good ones.
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#8586210 - 02/15/14 07:15 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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I did a little googling and it looks like Electra PD has had serious problems since 2012. The Chief's email address is through Yahoo.

Here's a tip....If you can't afford a city website to host employee email addresses, don't bother hiring police officers. Everybody you can afford will be toolbags.
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#8586214 - 02/15/14 07:15 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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That happens hundreds tf times every day across America, not many people go to the trouble of figbting it.
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#8586215 - 02/15/14 07:15 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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Electra, small as it is, just had the biggest business in town shut it's doors and roll up the sidewalks. A dollar there now looks as big as a saddle blanket. Times must be gettin' tough...
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#8586223 - 02/15/14 07:18 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
I did a little googling and it looks like Electra PD has had serious problems since 2012. The Chief's email address is through Yahoo.

Here's a tip....If you can't afford a city website to host employee email addresses, don't bother hiring police officers. Everybody you can afford will be toolbags.


Yup they have been in the news of late....
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#8586237 - 02/15/14 07:22 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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No directed towarde you Pat.

Any cop that will violate the guys 4th amendment right (search and siezure) and then write him citations (with no justifiable reasons) and the PA attempts to strongarm him along with the judge, these people need to be fired. Was the guy hard to get along with? Sure. But, there is nothing in the law that says he has to be plesant to officers. Those two way overstepped.

Birdy, I am amazed you can not see where this was wrong. Those two cops make up a trumped up traffic ticket. They attempt to search his vehicle without his consent and then lied to him about what they were doing. What's for tomorrow? Falsely testify against someone and get them thrown in jail? It is obvious neither of those two have the morals of a skunk.

My Son is a police officer and I can tell you for sure that if I knew he ever pulled crap like this I would kick his A$$ and happily spend the time in jail just for the principal of it.

Jim

Curdog,

The citizen was exercising his rights. I don't think that is against the law. A quick check inside the vihicle and a few words to the female would have verified the mans story. These guys are part of the problem in law enforcement.

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#8586249 - 02/15/14 07:26 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: CrowRifle]
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Originally Posted By: CrowRifle
The only reason it went down like this is because the man's son was videoing the entire thing. Had they known they were being recorded the outcome would look very differently.


What would have happened had they known the kid was recording.?
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#8586255 - 02/15/14 07:28 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: okie]
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I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again.

There is not a LE agency (or community) I know of that would not benefit from cutting it's roster in half and giving the remaining employees a 50% raise.
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#8586302 - 02/15/14 07:37 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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Originally Posted By: ltppowell
I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again.

There is not a LE agency (or community) I know of that would not benefit from cutting it's roster in half and giving the remaining employees a 50% raise.


To bring about that change, you'll have to allow each remaining officer three votes in city and county elections.
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#8586303 - 02/15/14 07:38 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: texasbatman]
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Quote:
Birdy, I am amazed you can not see where this was wrong. Those two cops make up a trumped up traffic ticket. They attempt to search his vehicle without his consent and then lied to him about what they were doing.


I didn't say what they did wasn't wrong, I just think in this case they were ignorant rather than malicious. Also, the saving grace is the Chief of Police handed over the whole dashcam vid, unadulterated.

I've been living in Texas since 1984, all that time obviously from somewhere else. During my East Texas years I actually made a point of wearing a NY Yankees cap all the time on account of it saved so much explaining grin

Me being me I've travelled all over the state at one time or another, just to see it. Been pulled over more'n a few times too, usually for speeding, often late at night in BFE, and for the first ten of those years mostly on a motorcycle.

I have no idea how constitutional everything went, I weren't paying attention. I never did get a request for a search or a search (only time that ever happened was late at night in rural Arizona, where the young Deputy took pains to explain we were loaded down in back, and he wanted to check the trunk for illegals). Weren't unusual too to get let off with a warning.

The funniest thing is how we still get profiled and pulled over by the Border Patrol on account of my wife looks Mexican as all get out grin

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#8586316 - 02/15/14 07:42 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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Originally Posted By: curdog4570
Originally Posted By: ltppowell
I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again.

There is not a LE agency (or community) I know of that would not benefit from cutting it's roster in half and giving the remaining employees a 50% raise.


To bring about that change, you'll have to allow each remaining officer three votes in city and county elections.


I know. That, and the fact that top cops tend to get paid more by how many officers they "manage" versus the product they produce.
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#8586319 - 02/15/14 07:43 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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Originally Posted By: ltppowell
I've said it before, but I'm going to say it again.

There is not a LE agency (or community) I know of that would not benefit from cutting it's roster in half and giving the remaining employees a 50% raise.


Except that they'd cut the wrong half.

We should start a consulting company telling cities who to fire. Just cruise around Texas like Bob Phillips eating ice cream and doling out justice.
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#8586360 - 02/15/14 07:57 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux

Except that they'd cut the wrong half.

We should start a consulting company telling cities who to fire. Just cruise around Texas like Bob Phillips eating ice cream and doling out justice.


They already exist, but Politicians will only accept the recommendations that fit their agenda. It always goes back to the same problem.
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#8586414 - 02/15/14 08:14 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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Forgot, that overnighter in Elk City was in '79, not '83.

Only matters on account of for the next five months I was a long haired New Yorker in an old beat-up station wagon actually LIVING IN MY CAR while travelling around in New Mexico doing day labor to keep myself in peanut butter and jelly while waiting to get into the Peace Corps.

During that time an average encounter with local LEO's went about like this: (2am, tapping on car window.) Cop "What are you doing in there?" Me (while proffering requested ID) "Sleeping." Cop "Oh, OK, sorry".

I figure most all Cops really are trying to protect and serve, and I got no problem cooperating with that aim to the best of my ability. If something goes to court, THEN we can start talking what is admissible and what ain't. But so far it has never come to that.

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#8586430 - 02/15/14 08:18 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: ltppowell]
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Damn, I never got handled that bady even by NY State Troopers when I wuz young and really really crazy.
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#8587047 - 02/16/14 05:08 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: EvilTwin]
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Does attitude make a difference in how you are treated by a cop, or what he does when exercising his "officer discretion"?

You bet it does.

The main difference is that a good cop uses that discretion once he already has the goods on someone... He doesn't make up the charges.
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#8587059 - 02/16/14 05:18 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: rockinbbar]
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It is readily apparent that some members [ THIS IS DIRECTED TO NO ONE IN PARTICULAR ] have led a very sheltered life as far as encounters with LE.
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#8587095 - 02/16/14 05:34 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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Originally Posted By: curdog4570
It is readily apparent that some members [ THIS IS DIRECTED TO NO ONE IN PARTICULAR ] have led a very sheltered life as far as encounters with LE.



grinI know ya wuzn't referring to me! grin My teencrazed years tallied up a slew od double ass-kickins. Once when the cops caught me, then a second when they brought me home to Dad. grin I was a crazed,mean smart ass and deserved every ass kickin' I got from both the cops and my Dad grin
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#8587143 - 02/16/14 05:53 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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I like where the prosecutor admitted on tape that police officers routinely lie to justify abuse of power when there's no recording of their words going on.
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#8587151 - 02/16/14 05:58 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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His problem was that he didn't adopt the demeanor of a slave in the presence of his masters. Fail to do that, and charges will be trumped up, and they'll use their "powers" to punish you for it, even if nothing sticks.
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#8587225 - 02/16/14 06:36 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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The PAs comments reminded me of this line from a David Allan Coe song:

"She tried to tell me what was right and I told her what was real.."

I hope the Drama Queen who made the video presentation decides to avoid West Texas and goes through some small Oklahoma towns on his next trip to Taos.

I went before a State District Judge for sentencing in Chickasha one time and he conducted the whole affair while talking to his girlfriend on the phone!

"Hold on Honey, this idiot is trying to make me give him his guns back".
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#8587251 - 02/16/14 06:43 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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Another bad cop video? Really? And corrupt govt officials? What a shocker. Ho hum.
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#8587357 - 02/16/14 07:22 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Fireball2]
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This video is going around to different sites. Read yesterday
on one site, can't find it to save my life, just a Tx hunting board, that the 2 Leo's and maybe the DA are no longer employees of this fair city.
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#8587370 - 02/16/14 07:25 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Wtxj]
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#8587371 - 02/16/14 07:25 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Wtxj]
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Originally Posted By: Wtxj
This video is going around to different sites. Read yesterday
on one site, can't find it to save my life, just a Tx hunting board, that the 2 Leo's and maybe the DA are no longer employees of this fair city.
Only because they were caught red handed, but that's at least something.
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#8587426 - 02/16/14 07:41 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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They just moved on to another small town.

But I do think the old boy was just looking for something to incite the locals. I also think the OP is not this guy. Will have to wait for OP to reply to that.
You get stopped in Tx. your going to be asked for your ID.
The Leo's stop for a welfare check on the side of the road, they are going to ask for an ID.
They will run you thru the system. Get lots of peoples with warrants that way.
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#8587517 - 02/16/14 08:06 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Wtxj]
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Originally Posted By: Wtxj
They just moved on to another small town.

But I do think the old boy was just looking for something to incite the locals. I also think the OP is not this guy. Will have to wait for OP to reply to that.
You get stopped in Tx. your going to be asked for your ID.
The Leo's stop for a welfare check on the side of the road, they are going to ask for an ID.
They will run you thru the system. Get lots of peoples with warrants that way.




It is just as plain as can be that this guy set those cops up. I'm sure that he could have chosen another route instead of choosing to go thru Electra just to stir up trouble. They should have ransacked his car, had it towed, and forced his wife to spend the night on the street while they threw this trouble maker in the can for a few days so they would have time to really check him out. She even could have had to do some time for loitering. And that chief was stupid for telling the truth about how things are done around there.

Bet this guy had been planning this trap for a long time. He had to know when the cops would be out of the coffee shop patrolling in the area he picked. They should have never let him go!
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#8587559 - 02/16/14 08:15 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bigbuck215]
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Yeah!!! F!!! his constitutional rights!! SMFH!! I sincerely pray that you are on the receiving end of some of "back country" justice!

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#8587571 - 02/16/14 08:18 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: 6mm250]
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Originally Posted By: 6mm250
Electra Texas , population 2769.


Those cops were probably bored.



Mike
guy was damn lucky neither of the cops felt in danger. He would have been "dead right" then.
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#8587583 - 02/16/14 08:22 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Wtxj]
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Originally Posted By: Wtxj
They just moved on to another small town.

But I do think the old boy was just looking for something to incite the locals. I also think the OP is not this guy. Will have to wait for OP to reply to that.
You get stopped in Tx. your going to be asked for your ID.
The Leo's stop for a welfare check on the side of the road, they are going to ask for an ID.
They will run you thru the system. Get lots of peoples with warrants that way.




If you have a CHL and are carrying, you are required to offer it to any LEO that asks who you are, whether he formally asks for an ID, or not.

Mr. Drama Queen obviously is not a CHL holder.
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#8587586 - 02/16/14 08:23 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Mannlicher]
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They should at least let him "ride the taser."
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#8587704 - 02/16/14 09:01 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bigbuck215]
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What's sad as evidenced by some of the replies to this is how some are willing to give up "Rights" but cling to others. The Patriot Act is the big game changer and most here support it whole heartedly. The most the cops should've asked was "Can we help you in any way?" They could've ran the plates and seen if it was "wanted". To treat peeps like they're the next Timmy McNeigh is troubling.
I'm sure if the Keystone Cops went farther in their harassment they'd be able to get some more trumped up charges added. The illegal search was a tip off that you had a couple of bored bum phicks on a fishing trip.
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#8587752 - 02/16/14 09:12 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: wildbill59]
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Doing a little research it looks like the Chief has been fired and a couple of officers let go. Several dispatchers have walked off their jobs as well. I would like to see this video go viral. Was the guys being a jackass?? Sure. But he still has his constitutional given rights. The law applies to both civilians and officers. Officers such as these two will cause people to believe all cops are like that and I know for a fact they are not.

Start giving up ANY of your rights and you will eventually lose them all.

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#8587774 - 02/16/14 09:18 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Wtxj]
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Originally Posted By: Wtxj
I also think the OP is not this guy. Will have to wait for OP to reply to that.


Nope, not me. I found it on a DFW Mustang forum.

If I were on the side of the road I'd appreciate the cops pulling over to check on me up to the point that I said "I'm fine, I'm just switching drivers". At that point I expect the cops to move on and if one were to distract me while the other one started poking around in my truck I'd blow a gasket.

What happened in that courtroom was the worst side of Texas "justice" that has ever been portrayed by Hollywood. Eff that judge and city attorney, they should both be hung from a tree and left to rot. Those two cops should get a job at Tractor Supply slinging feed-sacks, 'cause that's all they're good for.

The Electra website still shows city attorney Todd Greenwood and Associate Judge (beneath Presiding Judge Bruce Harris) Dianne Gribble as of this Sunday morning.

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#8587787 - 02/16/14 09:21 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Apparition]
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Originally Posted By: Apparition
Yeah!!! F!!! his constitutional rights!! SMFH!! I sincerely pray that you are on the receiving end of some of "back country" justice!


I understand that sarcasm is kinda hard to detect with the written word sometimes....But that was what he was using.
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#8587885 - 02/16/14 09:55 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: texasbatman]
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Originally Posted By: texasbatman
Officers such as these two will cause people to believe all cops are like that and I know for a fact they are not.
If you mean to imply that this sort of thing is very rare as a percentage of cops, whoever it was that was speaking to the defendant near the end (not sure, but either the police chief or the prosecutor) seemed to disagree with you. He was saying it straight and speaking of the norm, not the exception.
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#8588124 - 02/16/14 11:03 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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He was saying that he perceives it to be the norm IN FAR WEST TEXAS. The attorney seemed to indicate that cops are more respectful of the Constitution in large cities like the DFW area.

Since there are more cops in populated areas than in the sparsely populated regions of far west Texas, the logical conclusion is that the attorney actually believes the majority of cops abide by the Constitution. He confined the abusers o the law to the few in west Texas.
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#8588162 - 02/16/14 11:18 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
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The pool of available police candidates is larger in areas like DFW, and cities can have higher standards of recruitment.

Example: Arlington, Texas - Must have a Bachelor’s Degree from an accredited college or university. Upon entry to Academy they receive $4128/mo, after 4.5 years they receive $5530/mo, generous benefits/etc; sgts/officers do even better.

http://www.arlingtonpd.org/recruiting_SALARY.html

All of this doesn't mean that every officer will not make mistakes, but hopefully they're hiring the best available and don't have to settle for questionable characters. This works in the citizens favor, hopefully.
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#8588199 - 02/16/14 11:32 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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Yep. Arlington isn't even at the top of the list in benefits either. When you pay well you can afford to fire people because you've got a knee high stack of applications waiting for the job.
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#8588219 - 02/16/14 11:40 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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Well....... let me study a minute or two about where I've been really hassled or whupped up on by cops :

Oakley Kansas..... yep.

Shamrock Tx........ yep

Banning Ca............... double yep.

Lake Worth, Tx........ yep.[ suburb of Ft Worth]

Chickasha Ok........... yep.

Jacksboro Tx........... nope

Graham Tx............... nope

Archer City Tx.......... nope

Those are just some places where I went to jail. Let's see if we can detect a pattern here......

Well..... I'll be damned. Looks like all them "nope" locations just happened to be within one County of where I lived at the time.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure. grin
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#8588231 - 02/16/14 11:44 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
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Originally Posted By: gonehuntin
Originally Posted By: Wtxj
I also think the OP is not this guy. Will have to wait for OP to reply to that.


Nope, not me. I found it on a DFW Mustang forum.

If I were on the side of the road I'd appreciate the cops pulling over to check on me up to the point that I said "I'm fine, I'm just switching drivers". At that point I expect the cops to move on and if one were to distract me while the other one started poking around in my truck I'd blow a gasket.

What happened in that courtroom was the worst side of Texas "justice" that has ever been portrayed by Hollywood. Eff that judge and city attorney, they should both be hung from a tree and left to rot. Those two cops should get a job at Tractor Supply slinging feed-sacks, 'cause that's all they're good for.

The Electra website still shows city attorney Todd Greenwood and Associate Judge (beneath Presiding Judge Bruce Harris) Dianne Gribble as of this Sunday morning.

The man makes the badge, the badge doesn't make the man.


I didn't think it was you, but we had to know.
Maybe the other three are elected.
Last time I was pulled over on I-20 by the DPS, I just sat in my car and had the DPS officer signaled me to get out and come to the back of the car. He knew all about me before I got there.
Someone and me were exchanging Italian waves, cause he blocked the hwy for about 10 mins by running right beside and 18 wheeler and would not just pass. I had quite a line behind me.
He said what's going on. I said I was trying to get his car tag so I could call you guys. He beat me too it, so the DPS guy knew my life history before I got to his area, he was waiting for sure. He said do you know what kind of crazy people are out on the road. Just try to stay away from people like that. He never asked for ID, I didn't offer my CHL. Glad he didn't say or ask anything about any weapons on board. He just said drive safely.
I waved to the guy (BG in the white Chevy PU) as I passed him down the road as he was off the road waiting for the DPS to see what the results were going to be. cool


Edited by Wtxj (02/16/14 11:46 AM)
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#8589593 - 02/16/14 05:49 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Bluedreaux]
texasbatman Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bluedreaux
He was saying that he perceives it to be the norm IN FAR WEST TEXAS. The attorney seemed to indicate that cops are more respectful of the Constitution in large cities like the DFW area.

Since there are more cops in populated areas than in the sparsely populated regions of far west Texas, the logical conclusion is that the attorney actually believes the majority of cops abide by the Constitution. He confined the abusers o the law to the few in west Texas.


Couldn't have put it better myself. I have personally known many, many, many officers in my time and have got to say I have only known a few to be the bad guys. There are bad apples in every profession. Most are helpful men and women just doing a job.

Hawkeye,

Would appreciate your not paraphrasing me. I said what I meant nothing more and nothing less. Nothing to read in it.

Jim

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#8589732 - 02/16/14 06:19 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: texasbatman]
The_Real_Hawkeye Offline
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Originally Posted By: texasbatman

Hawkeye,

Would appreciate your not paraphrasing me. I said what I meant nothing more and nothing less. Nothing to read in it.

Jim
I was disagreeing with you, not paraphrasing.
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#8590406 - 02/16/14 11:41 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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"The scope of what you can and can't do on a traffic stop isn't all that broad. I would expect someone who is a professional to be aware of what would cost their employer money. Instead when the f-u-c-k ups happen there is fingerpointing. You can see it in the recording and even in this thread, if the guy questions these two keystone cops then he doesn't have any "respect" for them. As if he owes them respect for signing up to get a paycheck in that one horse town. He owes them nothing, in fact, they owe him an explanation as to why they are even questioning him, this is a free country.

The fact of the matter is that the entire situation could have been resolved with just a little courtesy. "I'm sorry sir, you are correct, you don't have to show us your ID since you weren't driving, we just stopped to make sure you and your wife are ok". Instead those two morons had to embark on the usual bigger dick contest."

"It's 287 west of Wichita Falls. Late at night, there is minimal traffic.
I'm generally just tired of cops. Especially the f-u-c-k-s that think they are special because they have a sch!tty piece of polished metal on their chest."


Edited by gonehuntin (02/16/14 11:44 PM)
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#8590694 - 02/17/14 05:21 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
curdog4570 Offline
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You have to exit US 287 to go thru Electra.
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#8590726 - 02/17/14 05:32 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
wildbill59 Offline
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Wasn't a couple of sheriff's that did the two in the pink, one in the stink illegal crotch search from Texas? I wouldn't think the County would be classified as small town podink.
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#8590759 - 02/17/14 05:50 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: gonehuntin]
Birdwatcher Offline
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Quote:
I'm generally just tired of cops.


Where I live and work I'm glad to see them, it'd be chaos without them, and I generally have occasion to talk with them a couple of times a year about some school/student-related incident or other. Our school Cops and administrators have occasion to talk to them most every day.

One thing I appreciate is that THEY appreciate teachers, leastways in my specific locality. I've been let off with a warning on traffic offenses two or three times over the years on that account.

Birdwatcher
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#8590772 - 02/17/14 05:53 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: wildbill59]
Birdwatcher Offline
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Quote:
Wasn't a couple of sheriff's that did the two in the pink, one in the stink illegal crotch search from Texas?


That was DPS, the State Cops, and yes that was an egregious violation.

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#8590804 - 02/17/14 06:06 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: wildbill59]
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Originally Posted By: wildbill59
Wasn't a couple of sheriff's that did the two in the pink, one in the stink illegal crotch search from Texas? I wouldn't think the County would be classified as small town podink.


Texas has 254 Counties. The quality of deputies varies greatly, as does the quality of Sheriffs. My County has 3 deputies, one who is my next door neighbor.
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#8590854 - 02/17/14 06:23 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
rockinbbar Offline
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Originally Posted By: curdog4570
Originally Posted By: wildbill59
Wasn't a couple of sheriff's that did the two in the pink, one in the stink illegal crotch search from Texas? I wouldn't think the County would be classified as small town podink.


Texas has 254 Counties. The quality of deputies varies greatly, as does the quality of Sheriffs. My County has 3 deputies, one who is my next door neighbor.


True statement.

Some are "peace officers", some are "law enforcement officers", and they ALL are politicians.

Back to the video and what the PA said about cops out in West Texas... He is wrong. You get the same mix, no matter where you are in Texas. Good and bad.
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#8590880 - 02/17/14 06:29 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: rockinbbar]
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...and they range from Loving County (pop. 71) to Harris County (pop. 4.2 million).
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#8590909 - 02/17/14 06:34 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: Birdwatcher]
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Originally Posted By: Birdwatcher
Quote:
I'm generally just tired of cops.


Where I live and work I'm glad to see them, it'd be chaos without them, and I generally have occasion to talk with them a couple of times a year about some school/student-related incident or other. Our school Cops and administrators have occasion to talk to them most every day.

One thing I appreciate is that THEY appreciate teachers, leastways in my specific locality. I've been let off with a warning on traffic offenses two or three times over the years on that account.



Birdwatcher


Yeah, all .gov employees seem to support each other. smile


Edited by Mannlicher (02/17/14 06:35 AM)
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#8591682 - 02/17/14 11:05 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted By: texasbatman

Hawkeye,

Would appreciate your not paraphrasing me. I said what I meant nothing more and nothing less. Nothing to read in it.

Jim
I was disagreeing with you, not paraphrasing.


Well that's OK. smile

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#8592440 - 02/17/14 03:11 PM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: texasbatman]
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goodness sakes, I have been pulled over by police probably more times than all the posters here put together. in my 25+ years of driving I bet I have been stopped probably about 60+ times. most of which was in small texas towns probably not much different than electra. I have been there BTW. never have I had that much issue with law enforcement. I have also been stopped in utah, NM, wyoming and nevada, and of course texas where I grew up. still no problems with law enforcement. never have I been asked to get out of the car or even have my car searched.

I do, do a couple simple things lately which if it has to do with speeding might just get me off from a ticket. if its dark I turn on the dome light so the officer can see in the car. I am careful where my hands are in particular when the officer walks up to the car. often times I put them out the window so they can see them. I see nothing wrong with showing a little respect for law enforcement. thats not giving up my rights its just doing the right thing. I must be doing something right because I have never had that problem. from the looks of it, had those guys in electra stopped me that night, I would have showed them ID told them what was going on and been on my way. The part I am concerned with is the officer looking the car though.
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#8594159 - 02/18/14 04:52 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: curdog4570]
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Quote:
My County has 3 deputies, one who is my next door neighbor.



So ya don't gotta go very far to get beat any more grin
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#8594531 - 02/18/14 07:28 AM Re: Two false charges in Electra, Texas. Prosecutor tries to add more at pretrial. [Re: 6mm250]
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Originally Posted By: 6mm250
Electra Texas , population 2769.


Those cops were probably bored.



Mike


Times are hard cops are just trying to raise revenue regardless if it's legal. So in cases like this look to GFY at your expense.
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