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The two cops are a prime example of what you get for minimum wage.


You do get what you pay for. There's a little town here that has a Chief who manages a bunch of volunteer officers. Translate that: Officers who were run off or couldn't get hired anywhere else but desperately want to keep their license. I've met two of them (worked with one at a real department before she got fired) and they scared me to think they were cops.

And it's not always true, but every podunk town I've ever seen that started its own police department would've been better served without one.



Yep...and these same guys complaining about Podunk PD will defend, to the end, why we should do it for free.


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It's videos like this that make it so hard to defend my profession.


I guess I must be missing something.

The guy was wrongfully issued a citation, the Cop did an illegal search.

The REAL story here IMHO is the citizen was freely able to get a copy of the tape from the police department, which evidence exonerated him and the charges were dismissed. I will note too that the Police Chief, whoever he may be (we just hear his voice) seems to be a bastion of common sense in this situation.

Meanwhile, in Texas, I'm sure we have at least a couple of LEO's in the employ of the drug cartels and the smuggling rings. I'm gonna reserve my outrage for stuff like that.

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It's videos like this that make it so hard to defend my profession.


I guess I must be missing something.

The guy was wrongfully issued a citation, the Cop did an illegal search.

The REAL story here IMHO is the citizen was freely able to get a copy of the tape from the police department, which evidence exonerated him and the charges were dismissed. I will note too that the Police Chief, whoever he may be (we just hear his voice) seems to be a bastion of common sense in this situation.

Meanwhile, in Texas, I'm sure we have at least a couple of LEO's in the employ of the drug cartels and the smuggling rings. I'm gonna reserve my outrage for stuff like that.

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I just meant the overall behavior and ego of all those involved.

In my agency, you make sure they're ok, smile and leave. Done.

And if you did do something like that, the DA would be having a chat with the Sheriff. And then it would roll down hill from there.

And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?

I for one draw the line at ANY inappropriate or illegal behavior. Period.

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We wouldn't stop at all unless there was blood showing.


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And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?


Dunno, maybe I'm too Irish, or maybe I've seen too much of life to sweat the small stuff, 25 years in a big city high school and all. I figure if I was at the side of the road that night getting beat to death by miscreants them exact same two Cops would have waded in and saved my life.

Like I said, I woulda just handed over my ID right off, and things woulda prob'ly gone very different.

Or maybe I'm living in never never land I dunno. I've just never had a problem with Cops is all.

Bottom line fer me is, did the Cops pull over with the intent of acting like d$cks. I dunno that that was the case.

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If that guy had been a negro he would have been in a heap o' trouble, boy, fo' sho'!


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and maybe a little guts?


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Right? Generally speaking, bored cops indicate that their job isn't necessary.


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And why save outrage? I've got plenty for all of it. Where do you draw the line?


Dunno, maybe I'm too Irish, or maybe I've seen too much of life to sweat the small stuff, 25 years in a big city high school and all. I figure if I was at the side of the road that night getting beat to death by miscreants them exact same two Cops would have waded in and saved my life.

Like I said, I woulda just handed over my ID right off, and things woulda prob'ly gone very different.

Or maybe I'm living in never never land I dunno. I've just never had a problem with Cops is all.

Bottom line fer me is, did the Cops pull over with the intent of acting like d$cks. I dunno that that was the case.

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I'm Irish too. It's not my Irish heritage that gets me riled up. It's my being an American.

I've never had an issue like this either. But just because we haven't, doesn't mean we won't.

I took this job to serve. Serve the citizens. And not just the ones with big problems. All of them.

When it comes to things like this I hear a lot that it's no big deal. Well, I say it is. It's not up to me what rights you figure are important. I feel they all are. And every intrusion, large and small, should be put in check.

Too many times we draw a line in the sand only to move it back if it seems easier to do so. F that. Put the line where it belongs. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I don't know what the intent of the officers was when they first pulled up. Nor do I care. What I care about are the actions they took once they were there.

I've seen plenty of life myself. Hopefully plenty more.

I'm watching a bunch of 9 year old girls right now having the time of their life during my daughter's b-day sleep over. I can't help but wonder what kind of world they will have to live with if we "don't sweat the small stuff."

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My goodness gracious, I just watched the video. (Which I thought was very well done until the "Deliverence" plugs.)

If that would've been me I'd have been fired. Twice.

There's no sense in having a police department if those two are all you can afford.


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I bet the citizens of Electra LOVE them, though. They keep the Yankees from Dallas out.


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"I don't know what the intent of the officers was when they first pulled up. Nor do I care. What I care about are the actions they took once they were there."

Man and woman outside the vehicle by the side of the road at night?

Kidnapping comes to mind.

Transporting illegals?

I'm not generally known for defending the cops when they are accused of wrongdoing, but this particular citizen takes hisself way too damn seriously for my taste.

The PA was top notch for a small town.


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This is just the opposite of what happened to me and my family back in the winter of 1996 when we were moving from Pensacola Florida to Oklahoma City. There was a cold streak down south, just like now. We were in our 1991 Mazda MVP, pulling a trailer hauling my 1965 Mustang. Making a PCS move from NAS Pensacola to Tinker AFB. My van broke down along interstate 10 in Mississippi around 4:00 pm. By the time it started to get dark, and much colder, nobody had stopped to help us. Finally around 7 pm a Mississippi Hwy Patrolman stopped and helped us. He took my son to a U-haul place to rent a truck while I stayed behind to watch my mustang and family. It was really cold and shortly another MHP stopped and let my wife and two other kids and me sit in his patrol car with the heater running. When my son returned with the U-haul, both cops insisted on helping us unload the van and put our stuff in the u haul. I tried to talk them out of it, but they insisted. I told them I had a chitload of rifles and handguns in the back of the van, including several tactical rifles, and they just laughed and said "so what? This is America!"

Well they escorted us to a hotel down the road where we stayed for the night. I tried to buy their dinner, but they wouldn't hear of it. The next day I got a tow truck to pick up my van and take it to the local Mazda dealer.

When we reached Oklahoma, I wrote a letter to the editor of the Picayune Times as well as to the MHP thanking these exemplary officers for a job well done. The editor of the paper sent me a copy of the paper in the mail. So there are good and bad cops. I'm guessing there are a lot more good ones.


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I did a little googling and it looks like Electra PD has had serious problems since 2012. The Chief's email address is through Yahoo.

Here's a tip....If you can't afford a city website to host employee email addresses, don't bother hiring police officers. Everybody you can afford will be toolbags.


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That happens hundreds tf times every day across America, not many people go to the trouble of figbting it.

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Electra, small as it is, just had the biggest business in town shut it's doors and roll up the sidewalks. A dollar there now looks as big as a saddle blanket. Times must be gettin' tough...


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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
I did a little googling and it looks like Electra PD has had serious problems since 2012. The Chief's email address is through Yahoo.

Here's a tip....If you can't afford a city website to host employee email addresses, don't bother hiring police officers. Everybody you can afford will be toolbags.


Yup they have been in the news of late....


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No directed towarde you Pat.

Any cop that will violate the guys 4th amendment right (search and siezure) and then write him citations (with no justifiable reasons) and the PA attempts to strongarm him along with the judge, these people need to be fired. Was the guy hard to get along with? Sure. But, there is nothing in the law that says he has to be plesant to officers. Those two way overstepped.

Birdy, I am amazed you can not see where this was wrong. Those two cops make up a trumped up traffic ticket. They attempt to search his vehicle without his consent and then lied to him about what they were doing. What's for tomorrow? Falsely testify against someone and get them thrown in jail? It is obvious neither of those two have the morals of a skunk.

My Son is a police officer and I can tell you for sure that if I knew he ever pulled crap like this I would kick his A$$ and happily spend the time in jail just for the principal of it.

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The citizen was exercising his rights. I don't think that is against the law. A quick check inside the vihicle and a few words to the female would have verified the mans story. These guys are part of the problem in law enforcement.

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Originally Posted by CrowRifle
The only reason it went down like this is because the man's son was videoing the entire thing. Had they known they were being recorded the outcome would look very differently.


What would have happened had they known the kid was recording.?


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