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Kuiu 6000 Ultra Pack

That strap adjustment system looks REALLY problematic. Lowe Alpine foisted some schidt like that off on the Army and it never worked right.

There is no way, IMO, to improve upon a suspension system like that of Kifaru or Hill People Gear.

Dana Gleason improved on them 25+ years ago.

If you are refering to the Shortbed, I'd wholeheartedly agree. It gets even better with HPG stuff strapped on it.

Nope.

Dana didn't do external frames, K2 did those after they bought Dana. They're very good no doubt.

The arcflex suspension and its closest copy, the Arcteryx Bora suspension, are likely the two best internal frame load-hauler suspensions ever devised and the Arcfles came out 25+ years ago by Dana. Often copied, never replicated.

Kifaru is nice, but is no Dana.

This pack looks interesting. I might gamble $350 on it.

Jason's packs kick azz. If you are counting grams and expect things to hold up well, his are the pinnacle. Are they as "bombproof" as maybe Kifaru or Eberlestock? Maybe, maybe not. Do they weigh a fraction of what those weigh and still give you a TON of options? Yep. He stands behind what they make, too.

The Paradox is still lighter

Haven't handled that one� yet.

I should add, especially when it's raining and sleeting
Take care
Kevin

Kevin, is the 4.2 lbs quoted on the website for the pack with the 6300 drawstring bag and Talon? All inclusive??

It depends. The Standard frame, suspension and compression is 2 lbs 6 ounces. The UL frame, suspension and compression is 2 lbs 3 ounces.

Roll Top XPAC bags are generally 14 - 18 ounces depending on size and zipper. 210 Denier Tan bags are generally 5 ounces less.

Base Talons average 5 ounces, but vary a bit on fabric choice. Cuben for instance is 3.7 and Camo over 5.

Day Talons about 12 - 13 depending on size and fabric.

The configuration I weighed yesterday was a Tan 3900 with zip/ Cuben Talon / UL Frame / Large belt and it was 56 ounces, which I thought seemed heavy. Then I remembered I had a small torso pad (8 ounces) in the packbag (oops). All of these weights include the load sling and load shelf capability, and the capability to be used with a Talon or Pack bag alone to save more weight.

Can you give us a simple response as to how much the 6300 weights (like 3 pounds, 5 ounces)? I'm 6'3" and would need a frame for that size.

The suspension weight and pack bag weight does not change due to height , other than the use of frame extensions ( 1 -1.5 ounces) which are optional.

A Roll Top 6300 in Gray, on the standard suspension, with a Base Talon is 3 lbs 12 ounces for 7300 CI.

A 6300 Dual Draw String included the pocketed lid and is 7 ounces more with the lid, for a total weight of 4 lbs 2 ounces and 8300 CI.

You can save 3 ounces with the UL frame, and 5 or 6 ounces with the Tan 210 D bag if you wish.

Thanks. For a roll-top 6300 with standard suspension and an 1800 day talon, large hip belt, what's the weight using VX21 X-pac??

Thanks for the reply Kevin.

Add 8 ounces for day talon 1800 give or take a few grams

Eberlestock is not even close to being the league of U.S.A. made packs.

Seen a few blown out. Horrible haulers as well.

Mine never made it out of my garage.

You know, there's a good number of people who use Eberlestock packs and are happy. I've had two. The X-1 which is a good daypack size, and the J-107 Dragonfly.
Both seem to be well made IMO, and a good value for the money, especially for someone who wants a decent pack but doesn't want to, or can't drop 5 or 6 bills on a pack.

I've packed a full whitetail in the X-1. And I've carried it on numerous turkey hunts in the last few years. No real complaints and nothing has blown out. The whitetail is the heaviest load it has carried.

I carried the J-107 last year on a couple of weekenders and in Idaho for a mule deer hunt, packing in and out camp. No problems.

Admittedly, I don't have decades of experience packing heavy loads and I've never carried a Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, Stone Glacier, Kuiu, McHale, etc.

I have carried a DD Terraplane a "few" miles and like it a lot.

Having said all that, the J-107 is heavy IMO at about 9lbs. Using it as a daypack while hunting, climbing the mountains out west and down into the gorges around here, it's just too heavy as a daypack.

So I sold it for that reason. It's just too darn heavy.

I bought the Paradox.

I like it's configuration and versatility. I like that it's made in Colorado by some quality guys on this forum. I like supporting mom & pop businesses, especially those dealing in quality products. And I really like its light weight.

I got the 4800 bag, with zipper, and the base Talon compression panel & frame extension.

FWIW that combo weighs 3.7 lbs on my little electronic scale.

Anyway, my two cents.