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Nosler just ran a batch and Cabelas has them available. These have been like hens teeth for several months. Thanks to Pahntr760 who alerted me!

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Get em while they're hot!

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I gotta be missing something, but my ballistic calculator indicates only 1.5" difference in drop at 500yds between the ABLR and regular AB? I don't shoot true long range so perhaps the intended use for the bullet is past 500yds.


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Originally Posted by TXpitdog
I gotta be missing something, but my ballistic calculator indicates only 1.5" difference in drop at 500yds between the ABLR and regular AB? I don't shoot true long range so perhaps the intended use for the bullet is past 500yds.


The Long Range AB has a much lower minimum impact velocity than the regular AB (1300 vs. 1800 fps), so other applications for the LR AB are in lower capacity (lower velocity) cartridges or low-recoil reduced loads.

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Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Traylor!

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So 1.5" = 120lbs at 500 yds diff ???

I have ZERO reason to pay the price for these bullets for this diff.....just me.


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Originally Posted by 65BR
So 1.5" = 500fps ???


I think the gentleman from Texas was saying there isn't much difference in trajectory between the LR and regular Accubonds, but the difference in BC, and by extension trajectory, is only part of the "long range" design of the bullet.

I'm not sure what you are asking, but instead of needing an impact velocity of 1800+ fps to get expansion like the regular Accubond, the Long Range Accubond needs only 1300 fps according to Nosler.

Edit to add:
Consider this - start the 129 gr LR AB at 2200 fps out of a 16" 6.5 Grendel (or similar capacity cartridge) and still have a 600 yd range (as long as you can dope the wind and place the shot accurately). Or more realistically, with a MV=2200 fps have 1600+ fps impact velocity at 400 yds (enough to expand the LR AB) with 10 mph crosswind drift of only 15". 1600 fps is below the regular Accubond's minimum impact velocity, but well above the min. impact vel. of the LR AB.

I don't know if the 129 gr LR AB would work in a 6.5 Grendel, but it would be an intriguing possibility.

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I would like to see expansion test at those two speeds/respective bullets, same media......

I have little interest in hitting big game with a rifle bullet at 1300fps, just me. Now if we are talking a 45/70 bullet, ok, we already have good frontal diameter and great mass.

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Originally Posted by 65BR
I would like to see expansion test at those two speeds/respective bullets, same media......

I have little interest in hitting big game with a rifle bullet at 1300fps, just me. Now if we are talking a 45/70 bullet, ok, we already have good frontal diameter and great mass.


Several months ago (might have been over a year ago), when I first heard about the LR AB, I posted a question about the very issue you raise (expansion tests) in the Ask the Gunwriters/Experts forum, but nobody had a response at that time.

I personally can't see myself going down to a 1300 fps impact velocity either, but if expansion consistently occurs at 1600 fps, then you get more flexibility with mid-sized and small 6.5mm cartridges at "moderately long" ranges (e.g., 400-600 yds).

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1. Thank you, Mr. Razorback, for referring to me as a gentleman, particularly when as far as interwebs manners go, "dumbass" would have been just as easy and expected.

2. Thank you, Mr. Razorback, again for patiently explaining what I now realize I probably could/should have looked up myself.

3. Apologies for hijacking a friendly heads up with my ignorance.

4. In the Swede, it looks like the 130 AB makes it a 650yd deer gun. With the 129 ABLR you nearly double that range....at least as far as reliable expansion goes.

5. 1300fps impact velocity sounds low, but I would fully expect to bang-flop a deer if I walked up to it and jammed the barrel of a 357mag into its ribs and pulled the trigger. Probablyhhave better penetration from the ABLR at that velocity too.

6. I have placed my order smile


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1300 fps minimum impact sounds pretty sweet to this .260 Rem pistolero shooter. I didn't get a lot of expansion out of the 129 gr. Hornady Interlock SP that I put the ribs of a whitetail at 125 yds last fall - but I got full penetration and a dead deer. I may try the LRABs, but not until the 300 120 gr. BTs and 400 Hornady ILs are all sent downrange. grin


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Wonder how they would perform around the 3000 fps mark? I'm assuming they would still hold together like the old accubonds but I'm wondering if the expansion would be more dramatic?

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I just ordered a box.
Thanks for the heads up.

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Would like to mic one of these and see if I can reach the lands in a 260 ackley I have with a long throat. Anybody willing to sell a couple before I drop the $ on a box. Strange request I know

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I have killed deer w/a 357, though at 2050 mv 158 JSP from a rifle, 1300 is one thing with a 358 bullet, but I would like to see how much frontal diameter you have with an LRAB at that speed, as you have too low of speed for much hydrostatic shock to occur.

Folks must determine their 'Floor impact speed' with a given bullet. Obviously it's subjective as to what works well or not. Do not get me wrong I do like the bullet, but am not sold on it being substantially better than the AB, w/o further info.

In watching a video on the Nosler site, they show what expansion looks like down to 1900-2000........

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Originally Posted by johnt_ms
Would like to mic one of these and see if I can reach the lands in a 260 ackley I have with a long throat. Anybody willing to sell a couple before I drop the $ on a box. Strange request I know


Shoot me your address in a pm and I'll send you some for free.

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I'm with you, Cliff. Nosler advertises these to be run up to 3200 fps...and then they go and advertise that the 26 Nosler will push a 129 LRAB at 3400 fps!? I won't try them in the 6.5 Wby or even the 264 win mag but think they will be perfect in the 260 rem and 260 AI.

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I have more ABs to last a LONG time, and they are as good today as pre-LRAB - when/if I run out, I will try these LRABs perhaps, the original 129 SP is IMHO the benchmark for all non-mag short actioned 6.5s, as the Hornady just got it right long ago, very similar penetration, etc. as the 125 Partition, and that is saying alot. The non-mag rounds do not need mono's or partitions, though they do work well there too, I feel an AB is a perfect balance in expansion, and weight retention/penetration, for a majority of applications, game and ranges/angles/speeds. They are very accurate also.

If I had a long actioned mag, they would more than likely be fed a diet of 140s of some variety, no need in Mach 10 speeds with lighter bullets, the larger rounds can push the heavies well.


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