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Not bad.

I've seen groups near that for 5 shots but not 10.

Here we go! Jay Gatsby is back!!

Creeker- Thanks for the post. That is one of my favorite websites.

You're welcome, can learn a bunch there.

Awesome shooting.

Pretty amazing.

Something is improving. Maybe it's the weather due to global warming.

Heck of a group for 10 shots!

Nice shooting, but it scores as an 80-0x.

I'll give him a pass on score, he probably couldn't see the shots pasted.
Incredible.

Isn't that the way of the World?

In IBS they award for score & group. Seldom does one win both with one target though it does happen.

In most cases they are shooting blind. This makes it very difficult to determine wind values etc. I have seen quite a few groups around the three inch mark or less for eight or nine shots but there's always one or two gone astray. Don't think this is a fluke though; when a guy is shooting like this, he has probably come close many times and regularily posts some pretty good scores. GD

And your point is?

Wondering myself. These matches aren't like shooting over the course where you're after score.

Impressive...

To make you happy, Jim just shot another record at 1000 yards. It was 3.9xx" and all were in the Xring.

BL, ok, that sounds nice, I guess I will see him at Camp Perry.

What is Camp Perry?

So Plummer, you going to Camp Perry to shoot BR?

ButchL,
That is a joke, right? You are putting comments on the section for "Competitive Shooting" and you never heard of Camp Perry?
I can guess you never heard of the NRA either.
You live in TX, have you heard of a guy...David Tubb?
Anyway....good shooting.

Rutstopper,
I go to Perry to shoot "bullseye" pistol and High Power service rifle.
Everyone is upset because I scored that first target as an 80-0x.
That is what it was...if you are only shooing for a group and not a score...why use a regular High Power target....just paint a dot on paper, aim for that.

Yet you post on a thread about BR shooting that you know nothing about.

BTW, evidently you don't know squat about Butch either.....




In IBS competition, you shoot for group and score. The highest of each, in each relay, go to a shoot off amongst the other relay winners of group and score.

You can only win your relay in one or the other, not both, and group takes precedence over score when one guy has both on a relay.

You stick to Highpower, we'll keep to shooting little groups somewhere on the target....

That's how it's done.

30mmplumber, many firearms competitions are exclusive of each other and it's not unusual for those competing in one discipline to be unaware of the other.

It's a huge community.

Yeah, Butch lives in a shell.......

http://www.shadetreeea.com

I swear to my maker this site is better than the Sunday Funnies.

You are correct Eddie.
30mmplumber, are you speaking of the Canadian flash? Have you had an opportunity to break bread with John Holliger or Eric Uptagrafft?
If you haven't heard of them, just do a wiki search.

A sidenote

John Holliger-owner White Oak Armament
JOHN HOLLIGER

John receiving the Pershing Trophy in 2000

John receiving the Pershing Trophy Award in 2000



I have been a competitive shooter since 1980, holding NRA classifications in HP Rifle, Conventional Pistol, SB Rifle, SB Rifle Prone, and Silhouette Pistol. I have been doing gunsmithing of one kind or another since about the same time.

In 2000, I started White Oak Precision. One of the seemingly never ending problems for me was obtaining parts that were of the quality that I wanted to use in my uppers. Parts were bought from several sources, handguards here, bolts there, receivers over there. In some cases I had parts made to my specifications because I was not satisfied with what was available. I observed the need for a reliable source that custom gunsmiths and discriminating shooters could go to and be assured of getting only the very best quality parts available.

White Oak Armament is the result of that need. Since then, White Oak Armament has built a reputation for offering top-quality workmanship and exceptional service. As we enter our second decade of business I continue to be in the shop every day building uppers, talking with customers and suppliers, and ensuring that every White Oak product exceeds expectations.

SHOOTING AWARDS

15 Time Presidents 100
Distinguished Rifleman Badge (1988)
2000 CMP Pershing Trophy winner
2002 National Civilian Service Rifle Champion
2002 NRA Coast Artillery Trophy winner
2005 NRA Crescent Cup winner
3 Time Illinois Open Highpower Champion
8 Time Illinois Service Rifle Champion
6 Time Illinois Short Course Champion
High Master Classification HP and Long-Range HP
Holder of team and individual national records

John said he is still learning.

A little about Eric

Date of Birth: 02/16/1966

Hometown: Phenix City, Ala.

Events: Men�s 50m Rifle Prone, Men�s 50m Rifle Three Position

Personal

Sergeant First Class Eric Uptagrafft began his decorated shooting career when he was just 11 years old. He joined the Foresteen Jr. Rifle Club in Spokane, Wash., where his coach, Bill Havercroft, put him on the right path. In 1993, Eric made the National Development Team and just two years later, he made the National Team. In 1995, Eric graduated from West Virginia University, Suma Cum Laude, with a Bachelor of Science in Aerospace Engineering. Eric has been a member of the National Team for nearly 20 years. Eric is married to National Pistol Team member Sandra Uptagrafft. As part of the Navy Reserves, Eric was deployed to Kuwait in January of 2007 for seven months. Eric is currently a member of the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit. In the summer of 2011 Eric deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.

Competition Highlights

2012 Olympic Games, 16th Place
2012 World Cup London, 6th Place
2012 World Cup Milan, 5th Place
2011 World Cup Final Wroclaw, Silver Medalist (Prone)
2011 World Cup Changwon, Silver Medalist (Prone)
2011 World Cup USA, 5th Place (Prone)
2011 World Cup Sydney, Silver Medalist (Prone)
2010 World Championship, 7th Place (Prone), Team Gold Medal
2010 World Cup USA, Silver Medalist (Prone)
2010 World Cup Sydney, 6th Place (Prone)
2010 World Cup Beijing, Bronze Medalist (Prone)
2009 World Cup Beijing, 5th Place (Prone)
2007 Munich World Cup, 5th Place (Prone)
2006 World Championship, Team Gold Medal (Prone)
2006 World Cup China, 4th Place (Prone), 7th Place (3 Position)
2006 World Cup Brazil, 5th Place (3 Position), 9th Place (Prone)
2006 World Cup Final, 4th Place (Prone)
2003 Pan American Games, Silver Medalist (3 Position)
2002 World Championship, Silver Medalist (3 Position)
2001 Championship of the Americas, Silver Medalist (Prone), Bronze (Air)
1996 Olympic Games, 30th Place (Prone)
2005 World Cup Final, Gold Medalist (Prone)
2005 World Cup USA, Silver Medalist (Prone)
2004 World Cup Sydney, Gold Medalist (Prone)
2003 World Cup Final, Bronze Medal (Prone)
2003 World Cup USA, Gold Medalist (Prone)

Another shooter that I have worked with. Olympic shooter, Jon Hammonds. Jon is from Aberdeen, Scotland. I met John through West Virginia University, where my Grandson plays college football. John is the coach of the WVU shooting team. They won their 16th NCAA rifle championship earlier this year, 2014. Jon is a 3P and prone small bore shooter. He has won numerous Olympic medals and World Cup medals. I put Jon together with Dan Killough(Killough Shooting Sports)last year. Dan took the WVU shooting teams rifles and matched the right lots of Eley ammo to each rifle. Dan has one of only 3 Eley Test Centers in the World. They are outside San Angelo, Tx.

30mmplumber, I do know a few of them, but most love shooting and aren't as good as mentioned above. They are just good funloving people. I am a BR shooter, but really respect all disciplines.

Didn't know that WVU had a shooting team. Hour north of me.

You better go north next year. Actually most shooting sports are not spectator sports. If I can't find their scores, Jon will email them too me.
They are the best college shooting team in the nation. If I'm not mistaken, all of the shooters will be back next year. Jon is in Europe shooting competition and recruiting shooters. Jon is very popular with shooters Worldwide as he is just a great young man.

As said some of the best shooters in the US.

Butch, please keep me me informed of their schedule.

My memory was never good and I'm getting worse daily. Last year they announced the schedule in August. I'll try to remember to post it.

I'm sure that Jon Hammond is a good shooter and a great coach (it's nice to see WVU with a shooting program again), but an Olympic and World Cup medalist he is not.

http://www.teamgb.com/athletes/jon-hammond

I'm pulling for him to bring the program back to the prominence it had achieved under Beasley.

Marsha Beasley was a great coach. Jon has brought back WVU in collegiate shooting. It is hard to bring back a program that was without a rifle program 3-4yrs. I believe all of his shooters from last years championship team are coming back.

The WVU administration dropped their powerhouse NCAA champion Rifle team in 2003 to put more emphasis on their "other" sports programs. The outcry from the public was swift and harsh, and ended with the legislature adding a special line item in the WVU budget specifically for the rifle team. WVU bowed to the pressure and reinstated the rifle team in 2004. Marsha Beasley retired as coach in 2006, and Jon Hammond took over the team for the 2006/2007 season.
I don't know to what extent WVU had a rifle team from 2004 to 2006...I was out of the loop by then...but I do know that they weren't winning. Jon Hammond now has 3 NCAA Championships under his belt.

They were shooting club shoots.

Butch, I iust read through the earlier part of this thread and caught your mention of John Holliger and Uptagraft. Do you know them?

Yes sir I do.

Speechless. I don't care who you are, that is some shooting, right there.

Imagine that...a benchrester associating with gasgunners!

Chris, My first meeting with John was an argument about AR triggers. Almost got heated. I realized that maybe with him being in the business, he probably knew more than I. John has done a lot of work for me including building 3 uppers for myself and Sons. I have found shooting supplies for him and got them in his hands. We also share a love for certain older rifles.
His AR's are very accurate.

The entire string would have missed a man�s torso at that range, tho. What�s needed is a way to get men to stand around while we fire spotter shots at them. :-)

Guess I missed this. They don't paint a dot for an aim point because you must go by the rules which are available on line. Once you read & understand those you'll understand they shoot for both group & score. It's all really quite simple.