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After ten years of not hunting elk, I finally drew the tag of all tags.... Arizona unit 9 September archery bull elk.... out of thousands of applicants, I got tag #49/100!!
I'll probably end up trading my bowtech for a Mathews DXT... but the real question is what broadhead?
I have several buddies who swear by the swhacker, all with on game performance. Me, personally I think bull elk demand a fixed blade... wac'em, muzzy, shuttle t, slick trick etc.
Is there a majority consensus here? Pictures to go with thoughts/opinions would be amazing!
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I've killed several bulls with Muzzy 90 gr 4 bladers - I see no reason to change what works.
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Casey, I'd be picking up some 125gr Shuttle T's. They're what my Dad and I use and they seem to work really well so far (for him, I haven't killed an elk with them.)
Congrats, sounds like an awesome opportunity.
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Tanner,
I had some of Them laying around... I'll have to dig them up. A buddy had killed two nice bulls with them to and he liked the performance.
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Man, unit 9...Congrats!
I hunted 7E about a dozen years ago and have been collecting points since then. Hoping to draw 8, 9, 10, or 27 in a few years.
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Are you gonna get that tag filled in time for squirrel season?  Congrats!
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If you gotta ask you have no business being out there.
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Wrongwayv you really need to go [bleep] yourself. I know exactly what to do. In case you don't know how to read, I was asking for people's experiences on broad heads. Not all of us can draw (lie) about drawing the rifle tag two years in a row you lying pos.
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So your jealous too?
give it up, I got it going on..
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I've used wac'ems the most and have been happy with them.Last years bull was killed with a 3 blade muzzy, worked well too.
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The No Limit Archery Grave Digger COC would be my first choice. Also add that changing broadhead weight involves more than just screwing one on and going hunting. Adding weight to the front of an arrow will weaken the overall dynamic spine of your arrow and could have ill effects on the tune of the bow. If I were elk hunting, id want absolutely true broadhead flight out to 60 or 70 yds. That only comes from a perfectly tuned bow.
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Our group kills multiple elk every year with Slick tricks and to a lesser extent wac'ems... there's just no question about a slick trick.
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Not bad for a Mathews lol
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If you had some actual, useful experience that would be great!  Sick tricks or grizztricks?
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I've killed several bulls with Muzzy 90 gr 4 bladers - I see no reason to change what works. This. ^^^. It's the fastest killing head I ever used and may have saved my life after a black bear got raunchy with me. It made 15 of 30 or so yards to me before rolling over from a complete pass through.
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If you had some actual, useful experience that would be great! Sick tricks or grizztricks? Standard Slick Tricks
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Not bad for a Mathews lol Outback and Heli-m Had an MQ-32 before those
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Slick Trick Magnum (100 or 125g)
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We shall soon see what the helim is all about. Ricks bow should be done by wednesday. Nice deer btw.
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Looking forward to the report!
Casey when are you gonna start scouting ?
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Casey don't overlook the Steelforce Phatheads 100 grain. They are solid cut on contact and easily resharpened and fly like darts. I'll send you a couple to try out if you would like. Txt me if you want. It's a very strong head.
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Really don't matter what you shoot if your going to swap to a Mathews... Arrow is just gonna hit them and then fall to the ground maybe leaving a small paper cut insicion on them, but probly want make it that deep. ...lol... sorry man I had too. Congrats on the tag.
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whatever you use, I would NOT risk a mechanical. Just too many issues there that can pop up.
Personally I"d probably be thinking Slicktrick or Zwickey or Snuffer myself...
And I'd sure spend the money on lots of scouting time rather than buy a new bow at the last minute...it ain't the arrow, its the indian. Keep the bow, get a good head, shoot a LOT
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Jeff,
I have pretty much decided on going fixed blade, because I agree on not risking it with a mechanical.
I'll be buying a used bow, cheap from a buddy. I tend to shoot Mathews bows, probably due to the single cam better then my dual cam bowtech.
And, with this tag I will be using a guide. I am not a very experienced elk hunter, and with this being one of the best tags in the country, I will be saving my pennies and hiring someone. I am normally a DIY guy, but I have waited for this tag for to long to try my luck on my own.
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I'll be buying a used bow, cheap from a buddy. I tend to shoot Mathews bows, probably due to the single cam better then my dual cam bowtech.
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If properly tuned, there is no advantage to one over the other. Can understand favoring the grip on one particular bow over another.
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Jeff,
I have pretty much decided on going fixed blade, because I agree on not risking it with a mechanical.
I'll be buying a used bow, cheap from a buddy. I tend to shoot Mathews bows, probably due to the single cam better then my dual cam bowtech.
And, with this tag I will be using a guide. I am not a very experienced elk hunter, and with this being one of the best tags in the country, I will be saving my pennies and hiring someone. I am normally a DIY guy, but I have waited for this tag for to long to try my luck on my own. Best of luck, I expect a texted photo come fall! I just was saying on the bow... I'd damn sure go with what I've been shooting rather than try to get used to a new one in 4-5 months basically. Just me personally. Whats familiar tends to work better for me in the heat of the moment.
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I've used and killed 5 elk with the Magnus snuffers 100 gr. heads. Great penetration and a life time guarantee on the broadheads. If the broadhead gets damaged or broken, send it in and get a free replacement. What's not to like about that.
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I will 2nd the slick tricks. 125 magnums. I have killed 7 bulls with the slick tricks and have been very impressed with them. Shot nearly completly lengthwise through a bull at 70 yds. Went in at the flank on the left side, and 6 inches of arrow and head were sticking out of the neck on the right side. I fubbed a shot at 20 and hit the bull too low. He was gonna die, but I figured if I could get one more in him even better.
I would stay away from any kind of expandables. I outfit 12 to 15 archery elk clients every year. Not wanting to get in the debate of expandable vs fixed. But I have seen way more bulls wounded with expandables. I will not allow them on our elk hunts and tell the clients before they come to not show up shooting expandables.
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Yeah, not to start anything but I've never seen an expandable yet that wasn't a flimsy piece of schit.
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I will 2nd the slick tricks. 125 magnums. I have killed 7 bulls with the slick tricks and have been very impressed with them. Shot nearly completly lengthwise through a bull at 70 yds. Went in at the flank on the left side, and 6 inches of arrow and head were sticking out of the neck on the right side. I fubbed a shot at 20 and hit the bull too low. He was gonna die, but I figured if I could get one more in him even better.
I would stay away from any kind of expandables. I outfit 12 to 15 archery elk clients every year. Not wanting to get in the debate of expandable vs fixed. But I have seen way more bulls wounded with expandables. I will not allow them on our elk hunts and tell the clients before they come to not show up shooting expandables.
Toby Joe NOTE: I do not like nor shoot expandable broad heads. However as a guide I would rather my clients shoot what they are set-up for and have confidence in. Provided they are legal to use. I make all my clients shoot at the lodge before the hunt ever even starts. This shows me who's hands I have to hold, how far a shot I will let them take, who I can let call their own shots, ect. After all a bad shot is just that a bad shot. My broad head of choice is hands down the RazorTrick.
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I dont make them change when they get to camp. I tell them no expandable when then they are booking then hunt. They have plenty of time to change, if they are shooting expandables.
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That isn't my point. The point is that if expandable broad heads gives the hunter confidence in their equipment. If they know how to shoot their gear expandable broad heads isn't that big of a deal.
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I have not shot any elk but if it were me I would stick with a good cut on contact head. I was just watching one of the TV hunting shows and the guy was using a Rage mechanical and when he drew back one of hue blades came open so he had to let down and put the arrow back in the quiver and grab another. He was in a tree stand for whitetail and he got the shot and the Rage put a big ol' hope in him but what happens when you are on the ground and 5 or 10 yards from an Elk when that happens?
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A slick trick magnum here too, very impressed with them on elk.
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If you are still looking for a guide, My buddy Georgie and his dad George rock! They might even film it for you too.
Steve Chappell seems like a great guy and they kill some toads. check out his youtube channel and watch some of the hunts for some tips.
Almost forgot, Dennis is a hell of a elk hunter. I bet he might be for hire if he is still guiding.
As far as bradheads go, I like 90 grain 4-blade muzzy. you seen what that little head did to that muley at 32 yards. I was always told to go with 100 grainers by Duwane Adams and to stay away from mechanicals. However that was before the Rage and Swacker(sp) varieties came out and I have heard positive results. But im old school and would stick with a fixed blade for elk. FYI if it matters or not, the year Dave Holt was in Duwane's elk camp, he was shooting a 100 grain head.
Being in AZ you know the shots can be longer than average.
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Congrats on a long awaited tag!!!!! Round here we've plenty of elk and for since the Shuttle T's came out they have been the rage. Also JJhack is a true slick trick fan. Doubt either is a bad choice. The 90gr 4 blade muzzys would perk my interests. Best of luck to ya! Sounds like a great hunt! 
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Like I think I have posted, so far I am looking at the 1.75" Swhacker, Slick Trick and the Steelforce Phathead. All are nasty, and I have 100% confidence that all will get it done. It comes down to whick will group best at up to 60 yards which I am going to start testing ASAP.
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If you are still looking for a guide, My buddy Georgie and his dad George rock! They might even film it for you too.
Steve Chappell seems like a great guy and they kill some toads. check out his youtube channel and watch some of the hunts for some tips.
Almost forgot, Dennis is a hell of a elk hunter. I bet he might be for hire if he is still guiding.
As far as bradheads go, I like 90 grain 4-blade muzzy. you seen what that little head did to that muley at 32 yards. I was always told to go with 100 grainers by Duwane Adams and to stay away from mechanicals. However that was before the Rage and Swacker(sp) varieties came out and I have heard positive results. But im old school and would stick with a fixed blade for elk. FYI if it matters or not, the year Dave Holt was in Duwane's elk camp, he was shooting a 100 grain head.
Being in AZ you know the shots can be longer than average.
kique Kique- If you are talking about George Garcia, he is a better elk guide than me- at least in the archery season. My forte is the late hunts but have done well on the rut hunts too. I don't know if he is a unit 9 guy though- hopefully Casey has long since tied up a guide or he is going to get a crappy one!
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Of your choices I would pick the Steelforce Phathead. I am a big fan of the fixed blade cut on contact style of broadheads. That being said any of your choices will work given a broadside shot to the heart and lungs. When your shot is off or maybe the bull is not exactly broadside, I would want every advantage possible and that is going to come from the Steelforce head IMO.
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