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You have a point to some degree - but most of it is rooted in simple inexperience with the west.. People CAN understand it, but they have to BE THERE to do so..
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yes Isaac, but not all laws are just and fair. also laws are constantly being misused according to some pinhead in a position of slight power. laws yes, regulations issued by some brain dead,
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What law is unfair as to this case? Are you saying fairness mandates the land which clearly belongs to 360 million citizens actually belongs to this one single rancher?


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What is fair about someone in Nevada being governed by the rules and laws some yahoo in Virginia thinks are right?

Maybe we should belong to a system where people who choose to live in Nevada can live under rules and laws that make sense to them and those in Virginia can live under the rules and laws they think make sense to them.

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Are you being intentionally stupid?

Would you like for me to help you understand what "public land" actually means?

Do you also own public land that I have to pay for?

Why do I have to pay for land Bundy claims to own?

Can I keep you off my land in the G.W. National Forest?

Can I keep you off my land on the Appalachian Trail?

Some of you have more entitlements than the 47%ers.

Nevada doesn't own the land.


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Infowars?

If you'd ever seen Alex Jones in action you'd know he's several notches below the National Enquirer as a news source. he preaches to a gullible choir.

Jones would love nothing more than to fan the flames here. Looks like its working.


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Two sides...

On one hand:
The family has an almost 150 year old business which was built on the ability to lease a set of land from the government. To all accounts the land was cared for and improved under their stewardship and the family paid the money required.

On the other hand:
Nobody ever promised that family that they would be able to lease that land forever. Not even sure there's ever been competitive bidding for the use of the land, which would seem fair in order to utilize public resources.


Life sucks. I don't know the totality of the story, but I know I'd be seriously ticked off losing a large portion of a 150 year old family business due to a court ruling in regards to tortoises.

I do know that the government's approach to this with the huge number of armed federal agents and establishment of 1st Amendment Free zones is a frigging joke that an entire host of government employees should be fired over.


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So, basically, you are in favor of the power of the government being used against people 2000 miles from you in order to enforce edicts and rules with which they do not agree, but with which you do.

Okay, got you.

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I understand both sides of the argument.

Many people are desperately looking for that turning point to get this government back under control.

Is this it? I don't know. We all want some legitimate reason to take real action.

Anyone who thinks BLM (or IRS or EPA or any alphabet agency) needs AR's, snipers & Apache choppers may have drank the kool-aide.


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Is it ok with you if Virginians keep you off Virginia's public lands?


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Originally Posted by isaac
Is it ok with you if Virginians keep you off Virginia's public lands?


I haven't seen anyone wishing to keep anyone off of any public lands except the BLM. Have you?

As for Virginia, that craphole can fall into the Atlantic ocean for all I care.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Is it ok with you if Virginians keep you off Virginia's public lands?


I haven't seen anyone wishing to keep anyone off of any public lands except the BLM. Have you?

As for Virginia, that craphole can fall into the Atlantic ocean for all I care.

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I can see you're not that well informed. Have you seen Bundy try to keep the Federal government off the land the Federal government owns? Those Nevada ranchers who do pay grazing fees have had their fill of Bundy's HS, as well.

As to Va, If you do live in Nevada, I wouldn't go there,my boy. You're what... ranked 48th out of the 50 states?


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If they are rounding up his cattle now this rancher is losing the battle now. Unfortunately if the rancher is right or wrong makes no difference, the government will win with shear numbers. Going down as many surrounding the one. Unless the rancher gets help they will finish rounding up his cattle and selling them. All because of a environmental group threaten to sue BLM because of a turtle which has been there forever.

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They will be selling them illegally, by the way, Mtnsnake.

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Originally Posted by Tim_in_Nv
They will be selling them illegally, by the way, Mtnsnake.


According to Nevada law, but the feds don't worry about that.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
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Is it ok with you if Virginians keep you off Virginia's public lands?


I haven't seen anyone wishing to keep anyone off of any public lands except the BLM. Have you?

As for Virginia, that craphole can fall into the Atlantic ocean for all I care.


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Issac,

Dude. For the last time... Please tell me when or where he claims to own the land?

He readily admits it's public land. Hear it in his own words here:



He protesting the management of the land that cedes one person's rights for the special interest groups that hinder all of us on public lands.

The smoke and light show of distracting tactics may work on juries, but let's play fair, and quit lying about this, OK?


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The smoke and light show of distracting tactics may work on juries, but let's play fair, and quit lying about this, OK?
That's asking too much from Isaac. Deception is too deeply ingrained in his fundamental makeup. He'd lie when the truth would serve him as well.

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The land is not leased, he owns the grazing rights on public land, OWNS!

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