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but he can't sell them, right?

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Originally Posted by kid0917
but he can't sell them, right?


Actually, he can, or could have before they were terminated.

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when were they terminated, when he stopped paying the fees many years ago, or more recently than that?

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Originally Posted by kid0917
when were they terminated, when he stopped paying the fees many years ago, or more recently than that?


They were reduced from 600,000 acres and from more than 500 cows to 158,000 and 150 cows way back in the early 90s. He stopped paying his fees after that and his grazing allotment was terminated in 1998.

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I didn't know the grazing rights could ever be sold...but I have been away from Nevada for about 10 years. Maybe it has changed.

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If you sell the "base" property the grazing rights go with it. Or I suppose you could sell your rights to a neighbor who also owned real property that qualified as a "base" property. The base property gets preference and the current owner gets preference. So, the current owner can transfer that preference and "sell" his rights if he so chooses.

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Dude. For the last time... Please tell me when or where he claims to own the land?
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Dude...you're the one who posted they took his ranch. Did you get confused after your post?


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yes, that seems like what I remember. are they still paying about $2.35 per AUM for lease fee?

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Originally Posted by kid0917
yes, that seems like what I remember. are they still paying about $2.35 per AUM for lease fee?


I don't know enough about it to know that. The figure I saw was $1.35 per animal per month, but it might vary.

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Originally Posted by isaac
Dude. For the last time... Please tell me when or where he claims to own the land?
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Dude...you're the one who posted they took his ranch. Did you get confused after your post?


I can see why people think lawyers are fuuucking azzholes. (Even if both my brothers are attorneys.) smile

Are you really so GD ignorant to believe that people that ranch on BLM have no ranch?

The BLM cut his permit and kicked him off of the largest portion of his ranch 20 years ago...thus ruining the ranch. What is it you don't understand? The terminology? My ranch in NM isn't quite as big as my neighbor's ranch. They both sit on BLM. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

If he owns the grazing rights, he can sell them, give them away, pay taxes on them. It is a ranch. His neighbor has a ranch too. Although the grazing allotment may be smaller, or larger, or more valuable, or less valuable.

I think what the problem is here, is that city folks don't phooking understand what is what outside the city limits. wink

You guys remind me of the media talking about an AR15, when it was really any other rifle. They lump them all into one category and don't have a phuucking clue as to the facts.


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Twenty years ago when they reduced his acreage and his number of cows to less than what someone in East Texas could run on two hundred acres, they killed his ranch. Since then he has had less than nothing left to lose.

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I'm sorry you need to learn by a 2 by 4, amigo.

You keep babbling irrelevance though, if it helps you somehow.


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I can see why people think lawyers are fuuucking azzholes.
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I can see why lawyers charge a schitload of money.


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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Twenty years ago when they reduced his acreage and his number of cows to less than what someone in East Texas could run on two hundred acres, they killed his ranch. Since then he has had less than nothing left to lose.


That is correct.

The land was taken because a special interest group lobbied to have the land set aside as suitable habitat for the tortoise.

Now look what the greenies are doing to their beloved tortoise. http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/desert-tortoise-reserve-euthanized/2013/08/26/id/522264/

You must be careful saying that it was "his ranch" though, because some asshat lawyer will come along claiming you said he now owns the land, and it wasn't BLM. wink


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I think what the problem is here, is that city folks don't phooking understand what is what outside the city limits. wink

You guys remind me of the media talking about an AR15, when it was really any other rifle. They lump them all into one category and don't have a phuucking clue as to the facts.
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As noted earlier, that is a very SAD realization to make.
Wishing it weren't so, I've made it, and probably won't be inclined to see it any different.

A lot of otherwise great people have their heads right up their azzes.

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You must be careful saying that it was "his ranch" though, because some asshat lawyer will come along claiming you said he now owns the land, and it wasn't BLM. wink


Yup, it's "interesting" how many of these former leases wind up being SOLD to "Private Entities" and wind up as "Estate grade development",....ain't it......? whistle

Gag a bloody maggot, the stink from BLM's daily activities and practices.

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Originally Posted by isaac
I'm sorry you need to learn by a 2 by 4, amigo.

You keep babbling irrelevance though, if it helps you somehow.


Why don't you grab your 2x4, and drag your fat ass out from behind your desk and some show me some education...?

The "irrelevance" you speak of is the misconception that Bundy is claiming he owns the land now. The liberal media is saying that all over the TV and internet. It makes Bundy seem like a guy that is now claiming to own the land, or get something for free. He, nor I never claimed he help deed to it. YOU are the one that brought that up.


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Borrow some money for bus fare and I'll be happy to do so you stupid [bleep].

If you get hungry, I know where you can get some auctioned beef.


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You are the one that said I needed the education. Go for it.


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