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When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed � one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.

Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.

Laney insists the land in question belongs to him; the Forest Service says it belongs to the federal government. So far, the federal court is on the side of the Forest Service. But Laney is not willing to throw in the towel and give up the land that has been in his family since long before there was a U.S. Forest Service.

Moreover, in New Mexico, there is a �brand law� that says, essentially, no cattle may be sold or transported out of state without approval from the State Livestock Board.

Local sheriff Cliff Snyder has notified the Forest Service and other state and federal officials that even though the Forest Service has a court order authorizing the confiscation of the Diamond Bar cattle, they �cannot be shipped and sold without being in direct violation of NM Statute.�

His memo also says �I intend to enforce the state livestock laws in my county. I will not allow anyone, in violation of state law, to ship Diamond Bar Cattle out of my county.�

Last hope for ranchers?

Kit and Sherry Laney are one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ranching families who are being squeezed off their land throughout the West. This case has the potential to erect a barrier to further expansion of federal land takeovers in the West or to erase the last hope of retaining ranching as a part of Western culture in the United States.

Both ranchers and federal officials are watching with great anxiety as the conflict moves toward resolution.

The Diamond Bar Ranch is at least 180,000 acres and includes some of the most beautiful land in southwest New Mexico, situated between and including portions of the http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=stateView&state=nm�>Gila and Aldo Leopold Wilderness areas.

Laney�s ancestors began the �Laney Cattle Company� there in 1883 when the area was still a territory. In those days, �prior appropriation� of water determined grazing rights to the land. That meant the first person to make beneficial use of water obtained the �rights� to the water and to the forage within an area necessary to utilize the available water.

Laney�s ancestors acquired the water rights and the attendant grazing rights on the land now claimed by the federal government.

In 1899, the federal government withdrew from the public domain the land that later became the Gila National Forest, which included much of the land on which Laney�s ancestors had valid claim to water and grazing rights.

Several court cases have determined that land to which others have claims or rights attached cannot be considered �public land.�

Specifically, �It is well settled that all land to which any claims or rights of others have attached does not fall within the designation of public land,� according to Bardon vs. Northern Pacific Railroad Co.

Consequently, Laney reasons, since his ancestors had acquired legal rights to the water and adjacent grazing land before the federal withdrawal, his land could not be considered a part of the public domain.


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As soon as they kick off the ranchers, the hunters will be next.

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and that's your worry? the hunters? wow

shortly there will be those along who will declare this man a freeloader and volunteer to help slaughter his herd.


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There are hundreds of cases like this.

I have friends in the same situation... And personally know of many more.

Usually, it is a radical environmentalist group that gets the BLM or USFS to be the evictors.


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Isaac will be along soon to call them freeloaders. Fudking government.


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Originally Posted by Colorado1135
and that's your worry? the hunters? wow

shortly there will be those along who will declare this man a freeloader and volunteer to help slaughter his herd.
They may even call him a pussy if the Bundy threads are any measure.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
There are hundreds of cases like this.

I have friends in the same situation... And personally know of many more.

Usually, it is a radical environmentalist group that gets the BLM or USFS to be the evictors.


Exactly, this one was the Gila trout.

That one got a little western, he whipped one contract worker and chased USFS workers horse back. If I remember right, he did 6 months for it. It got to where they would handcuff and shackle him every time he would have to appear in court.

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Isaac will be along soon to call them freeloaders. Fudking government.


That guy's a f ucking idiot

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Originally Posted by gonehuntin
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When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed � one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.

Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.

Laney insists the land in question belongs to him; the Forest Service says it belongs to the federal government. So far, the federal court is on the side of the Forest Service. But Laney is not willing to throw in the towel and give up the land that has been in his family since long before there was a U.S. Forest Service.

Moreover, in New Mexico, there is a �brand law� that says, essentially, no cattle may be sold or transported out of state without approval from the State Livestock Board.

Local sheriff Cliff Snyder has notified the Forest Service and other state and federal officials that even though the Forest Service has a court order authorizing the confiscation of the Diamond Bar cattle, they �cannot be shipped and sold without being in direct violation of NM Statute.�

His memo also says �I intend to enforce the state livestock laws in my county. I will not allow anyone, in violation of state law, to ship Diamond Bar Cattle out of my county.�

Last hope for ranchers?

Kit and Sherry Laney are one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ranching families who are being squeezed off their land throughout the West. This case has the potential to erect a barrier to further expansion of federal land takeovers in the West or to erase the last hope of retaining ranching as a part of Western culture in the United States.

Both ranchers and federal officials are watching with great anxiety as the conflict moves toward resolution.

The Diamond Bar Ranch is at least 180,000 acres and includes some of the most beautiful land in southwest New Mexico, situated between and including portions of the http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=stateView&state=nm�>Gila and Aldo Leopold Wilderness areas.

Laney�s ancestors began the �Laney Cattle Company� there in 1883 when the area was still a territory. In those days, �prior appropriation� of water determined grazing rights to the land. That meant the first person to make beneficial use of water obtained the �rights� to the water and to the forage within an area necessary to utilize the available water.

Laney�s ancestors acquired the water rights and the attendant grazing rights on the land now claimed by the federal government.

In 1899, the federal government withdrew from the public domain the land that later became the Gila National Forest, which included much of the land on which Laney�s ancestors had valid claim to water and grazing rights.

Several court cases have determined that land to which others have claims or rights attached cannot be considered �public land.�

Specifically, �It is well settled that all land to which any claims or rights of others have attached does not fall within the designation of public land,� according to Bardon vs. Northern Pacific Railroad Co.

Consequently, Laney reasons, since his ancestors had acquired legal rights to the water and adjacent grazing land before the federal withdrawal, his land could not be considered a part of the public domain.
This reminds me of what the Soviets did to farmers after the revolution.

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I posted this a coupla' years ago. I just hope we'll see more responsible and Constitutional behavior from ALL of our Sheriffs.

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Written By: Larry Pratt | Posted: Thursday, December 1st, 2011

GOA member Dr. Ray Seidel alerted me to the stirring of freedom that is taking place in his village of Ruidoso, New Mexico. I have already reported on the first battle with Mayor Ray Alborn and how he tried to impose an unconstitutional gun ban in the village. To get the full story of what happened in Ruidoso, you can go here and listen to my first debriefing session with Seidel.

I recently interviewed Dr. Seidel a second time on my Gun Owners News Hour weekly radio program and asked him about several acts of local interposition in the surrounding counties -- all of which underscores the importance of the office of the sheriff and the militia.

For example, over near Deming, New Mexico is the Gila National Forest. The U.S. Forest Service wanted to make almost all of it off limits for people -- until the militia of Luna County intervened. They told the feds that they would resist any effort by the Forest Service to restrict access to visitors. The result? Visitors have continued to access all of the Gila National Forest!

In the Southeast corner of the state, many landowners have working oil wells on their property. The EPA told the oil operators they would have to stop operating their wells because there was too much risk of harming the environment. At a town hall meeting convened by the EPA, a woman in her 60s rose to address the feds. She pointed out that her land had been in her family for over 200 years, and she was not about to let some official from an unconstitutional bureaucracy tell her what she could or could not do with her land.

The woman ended by warning the feds that her family has many guns and a huge supply of ammunition, and they would use all of it if needed to keep the EPA off of their land. The locals who had packed out the hearing room jumped to their feet with a shout and prolonged applause. That was in August of this year. As of November, oil is still being pumped at full tilt.

In Otero County, villages in the mountains are surrounded by forests. The county commission voted to establish an 80,000 acre plan to manage forest overgrowth. Residents wanted to cut fire breaks to protect their homes in Cloudcroft, but the Forest Service said, "No." The residents responded that they had to for safety's sake and were going to construct the fire break in spite of the Forest Service. Residents were told that if they cut down any trees, they would be arrested. But Sheriff Raymond Cobos told the Forest Service that if they made any arrests, they would be arrested for false arrest.

Not only were the trees cut down with no opposition from the feds, the first tree was cut down by Congressman Steve Pearce (R-2nd District). Would that there were many more like Rep. Pearce. The folks in the Second District are blessed with a constitution-supporting congressman and a number of constitutional sheriffs backed by the militias of their counties. This is the way that local governments can push back and help the feds to live within the limitations that have been placed upon them in Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

As you can see, there's a lot happening in New Mexico. The militia in Lincoln County - some 200 plus men who keep their rifle and battle bag in their vehicles 24/7 -can be mustered in about 30 minutes at any place in the county. New Mexico is becoming a text book example of how the Founding Fathers envisioned the states would rein in an out-of-control government.

As stated by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 28: "It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority."

If there were more sheriffs like those in New Mexico serving around the country, we would be well on the way to safeguarding our liberties against Washington's "invasions of the public liberty." It also might occur to the Congress that more examples of sheriffs interposing themselves might result in shrinking down the federal government to do little more than just funding the national defense.

Larry Pratt has been Executive Director of Gun Owners of America for 27 years. GOA is a national membership organization of 300,000 Americans dedicated to promoting their second amendment freedom to keep and bear arms. The GOA web site is: gunowners.org. E-Mail: [email protected]





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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
There are hundreds of cases like this.

I have friends in the same situation... And personally know of many more.

Usually, it is a radical environmentalist group that gets the BLM or USFS to be the evictors.


Yup

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Gregg,

I was in the very middle of all that mess in Otero County.
Aside from ranching BLM on the liberals beloved Mesa, I was a Wildlife Specialist that worked for the county.

I had a close relationship with the sheriff as well. The sheriff is a "Constitutional Sheriff", and he stood up for the people in his county. I stood with him.

When the tree cutting took place against the wishes of the Forest Circus, I was there, and was armed. As were many other patriots.

It wasn't like the Bundy ordeal. Largely because the sheriff and local county commissioners stood up and said "Enough!".

Bundy's standoff never would have gone as far as it did if the county and state politicians had stood up to the BLM and upheld the constitution before things went as far as they did.

The sheriff in Nevada, (Gillespie) and that County Commissioner, Tom Collins need to be impeached and jailed for their refusal to uphold the constitution, and the commissioner needs even more payback for threatening protesters that came to Bundy's aid with their very lives.


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The Feds need to be stopped cold, in their land grab agenda. Simple as that.



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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
http://www.americasfreedomfighters....perty-owners-fight-government-land-grab/


When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed � one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.

Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.

Laney insists the land in question belongs to him; the Forest Service says it belongs to the federal government. So far, the federal court is on the side of the Forest Service. But Laney is not willing to throw in the towel and give up the land that has been in his family since long before there was a U.S. Forest Service.

Moreover, in New Mexico, there is a �brand law� that says, essentially, no cattle may be sold or transported out of state without approval from the State Livestock Board.

Local sheriff Cliff Snyder has notified the Forest Service and other state and federal officials that even though the Forest Service has a court order authorizing the confiscation of the Diamond Bar cattle, they �cannot be shipped and sold without being in direct violation of NM Statute.�

His memo also says �I intend to enforce the state livestock laws in my county. I will not allow anyone, in violation of state law, to ship Diamond Bar Cattle out of my county.�

Last hope for ranchers?

Kit and Sherry Laney are one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ranching families who are being squeezed off their land throughout the West. This case has the potential to erect a barrier to further expansion of federal land takeovers in the West or to erase the last hope of retaining ranching as a part of Western culture in the United States.

Both ranchers and federal officials are watching with great anxiety as the conflict moves toward resolution.

The Diamond Bar Ranch is at least 180,000 acres and includes some of the most beautiful land in southwest New Mexico, situated between and including portions of the http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=stateView&state=nm�>Gila and Aldo Leopold Wilderness areas.

Laney�s ancestors began the �Laney Cattle Company� there in 1883 when the area was still a territory. In those days, �prior appropriation� of water determined grazing rights to the land. That meant the first person to make beneficial use of water obtained the �rights� to the water and to the forage within an area necessary to utilize the available water.

Laney�s ancestors acquired the water rights and the attendant grazing rights on the land now claimed by the federal government.

In 1899, the federal government withdrew from the public domain the land that later became the Gila National Forest, which included much of the land on which Laney�s ancestors had valid claim to water and grazing rights.

Several court cases have determined that land to which others have claims or rights attached cannot be considered �public land.�

Specifically, �It is well settled that all land to which any claims or rights of others have attached does not fall within the designation of public land,� according to Bardon vs. Northern Pacific Railroad Co.

Consequently, Laney reasons, since his ancestors had acquired legal rights to the water and adjacent grazing land before the federal withdrawal, his land could not be considered a part of the public domain.
This reminds me of what the Soviets did to farmers after the revolution.


Yup. Try to convince many people this is what's going on, though. They are doubtful, incredulous. They don't know history and the antics of totalitarian regimes. Couldn't happen here, they say.

But it is.




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The politicos and their underlings in the agencies do what their masters tell them to. People should look up the Buffalo Commons and also be advised of how much land Ted Turner and other various rich guys own.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
http://www.americasfreedomfighters....perty-owners-fight-government-land-grab/


When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed � one way or the other.
Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.

Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.

Laney insists the land in question belongs to him; the Forest Service says it belongs to the federal government. So far, the federal court is on the side of the Forest Service. But Laney is not willing to throw in the towel and give up the land that has been in his family since long before there was a U.S. Forest Service.

Moreover, in New Mexico, there is a �brand law� that says, essentially, no cattle may be sold or transported out of state without approval from the State Livestock Board.

Local sheriff Cliff Snyder has notified the Forest Service and other state and federal officials that even though the Forest Service has a court order authorizing the confiscation of the Diamond Bar cattle, they �cannot be shipped and sold without being in direct violation of NM Statute.�

His memo also says �I intend to enforce the state livestock laws in my county. I will not allow anyone, in violation of state law, to ship Diamond Bar Cattle out of my county.�

Last hope for ranchers?

Kit and Sherry Laney are one of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of ranching families who are being squeezed off their land throughout the West. This case has the potential to erect a barrier to further expansion of federal land takeovers in the West or to erase the last hope of retaining ranching as a part of Western culture in the United States.

Both ranchers and federal officials are watching with great anxiety as the conflict moves toward resolution.

The Diamond Bar Ranch is at least 180,000 acres and includes some of the most beautiful land in southwest New Mexico, situated between and including portions of the http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=stateView&state=nm�>Gila and Aldo Leopold Wilderness areas.

Laney�s ancestors began the �Laney Cattle Company� there in 1883 when the area was still a territory. In those days, �prior appropriation� of water determined grazing rights to the land. That meant the first person to make beneficial use of water obtained the �rights� to the water and to the forage within an area necessary to utilize the available water.

Laney�s ancestors acquired the water rights and the attendant grazing rights on the land now claimed by the federal government.

In 1899, the federal government withdrew from the public domain the land that later became the Gila National Forest, which included much of the land on which Laney�s ancestors had valid claim to water and grazing rights.

Several court cases have determined that land to which others have claims or rights attached cannot be considered �public land.�

Specifically, �It is well settled that all land to which any claims or rights of others have attached does not fall within the designation of public land,� according to Bardon vs. Northern Pacific Railroad Co.

Consequently, Laney reasons, since his ancestors had acquired legal rights to the water and adjacent grazing land before the federal withdrawal, his land could not be considered a part of the public domain.
This reminds me of what the Soviets did to farmers after the revolution.


Yup. Try to convince many people this is what's going on, though. They are doubtful, incredulous. They don't know history and the antics of totalitarian regimes. Couldn't happen here, they say.

But it is.
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This should get even more attention if the land is truly the ranchers land. Even the blind and ignorant should be able to acknowledge that this family is 100% right. Where the Bundy episode had a major problem. Being he stopped paying the lease. But even that situation, anyone with anything between there ears was well aware the skirmish had nothing to do with being delinquent on allotment payments. A quick look at the situation told even those with a learning disability. It was about a federal gooberment Running ruff shod over citizens.


Here is something for some ( not all ) of you spineless liberal sheep back east to chew on.


1) SPOTTED OWL ( In relation to families put out of work )

2) The new " TURTLE " ( In relation to the Bundy Scam )

3) The BLM Mustang's ( The next thing to be saved. Ahead of livelihoods )

4) THE PRARIE CHICKEN ( Also ahead of family livelihoods. )

5) Multiple wet lands & critters along the KEYSTONE PIPLINE ( To be more important than American jobs and a more self reliant energy plan. )

6) HSUS ( The HUMAN SOCIETY UNITED STATES. THE BIGEST RIP OFF IN THE COUNTRY. )

7) Wolf reintroduction ( FUTURE PLANS FOR MORE BANED LAND FOR CITIZENS. )

8) AGENDA 21 ( Research it!!! Look at all the names you have heard about in other dishonest dealings.

If after researching if you still think the Bundy deal was about a cattle lease. And this family trying to hold on to what appears to be theirs. Is about misinformed crazy people that have it all wrong. You probably will be looking for an excuse not to do your share to stop anything. No matter how tyrannical the situation. Really no different than being on the GOOBERMENT TIT. Just expecting someone else to fight for your freedom and liberty simply because you feel entitled to them.


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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by Colorado1135
and that's your worry? the hunters? wow

shortly there will be those along who will declare this man a freeloader and volunteer to help slaughter his herd.
They may even call him a pussy if the Bundy threads are any measure.


That's the problem with some of you. This is a different situation and I haven't seen one opposing comment, yet some of you speculate, accuse and jump to conclusions based on nothing.

As for slavery Ethan, It wouldn't have ended until mechanization became more profitable...

I wonder if you would have minded being a slave for an extra 20 or 30 years so it could work itself out peaceably?

That statement was truly epic.

You do make me laugh buddy. wink

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Since it would have ended without a war, that makes the war senseless.



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But the bondage and suffering of millions over those 20-30 years wouldn't be?

A swing and a miss.

And I agree, it was senseless as it ruined the South.

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