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Don't bother researching, or hell even reading in numerous posts here that the BLM spurred by environmental radials cut the rancher's grazing permit to next to nothing before he ever refused to pay anything...

Don't bother to even remotely consider the special agendas of special interest groups involved in the attack that the BLM and other government agencies BROUGHT to this rancher over 20 years ago. He paid his fees right on time until the fight was brought to HIM.

Just keep walking to that same tired, old drum beat that the liberals are putting out in the media on orders from Reid and the Obama administration.

Enlightenment is truly enlightening. But, much like a week old kitten, one has to open their eyes before much light comes in....

Doesn't feel so good does it?

Lesson over.

He clearly advocated the position that the Civil War was preferable to gradual, peaceful, resolution of the slavery issue.

I hope you learned something.

I think 99.9% of people would have taken it that way.

What a bunch of f*cking babies.... Another thread sh*t upon.

Yes. Someone needs to point out a couple of objective articles that spell out just what the fed is doing and what/whom is motivating them.

Are they out to flex their legal muscle with laws that have gone un-enforced?
Are the enviro-wackos spurring them on?

The personal shots here don't lend clarity to the issue.

They're hugely increasing their control over the American people.

Greed motivates them.

The only peaceful solution is a constitutional convention and replace federalism with confederalism. And even that won't peaceful now that I think about it.

It's amazing how many legal immigrants have decided the USA is a third world chithole and have headed back to their native country rather than become naturalized citizens. Rats leaving a sinking ship?

The last civil war was the North versus the South. The next civil war will be the East verses the West. Or maybe it will be the North versus the South and the West. The North definitely has a different culture from the South and the West.

I think it will be the so called slave class against the self proclaimed entitled added to that there will be the ones that just start fighting everyone for their day to day survival.

How ever it comes down it will be very messy for a very long time.

No, the South would have JUMPED at the chance to have more'n 25% of their population, more than the whole free population in states like South Carolina and Mississippi, suddenly freed from chattel slavery and given the freedom to do what they wanted

This is what concerns me.

Bundy IIRC in talking to Hannity could not give an accurate number of the cows running loose on the disputed grounds. The actual roundup revealed a bunch of cows that had never been rounded up and branded/tagged whatever.

Granted, his own access may have been limited by his illegal status, but more'n likely given human nature in many cases public lands are probably being grazed about like frontier folks used to keep hogs; let 'em run wild, harvest as needed.

If the grazing is being controlled by the survival of the feral cattle themselves than ya, one would expect serious lasting changes to the environment as the range, whatever the carrying capacity, is grazed to the dirt.

The other thing is, all those here b&tching about the "turtle" likely could say nothing informed about it, nor its habitat requirements, nor its population. Bundy hisself held forth on the observation that the tortoise could survive eating cow crap.

Likewise the prairie chicken, Gila trout or whatever. Folks even wax on here as if ignorance of these things was a virtue. Heck, if'n I were making a living off of rangeland I'd want to know the workings of every critter and plant on it down to the grubs in the dirt.

I' sure we got good ranchers here who genuinely care about the range, I'm also sure the trout, the tortoise or the prairie chicken could survive alongside controlled grazing.

But I hear good ranchers here complaining about what I'd call "slob ranchers" (about like slob hunters).

Who polices the range, inspects the herds?

Why is it that the number of cattle on the Bundy tracts was a surprise, apparently to everyone?

And beyond grazing rights, how come there ain't no fines attached to slob ranching on public lands?

Birdwatcher

It goddam sure isn't the current crop of "Rangers".

Or USFS (they're CAUSING more burns than they're "controlling")

.....I'd guess evrybody's just a bit busy with TGGL sensitivity seminars, and what times left is tazer and small arms training.
Jeez,.......MRAPS training is going to be another drag on available hours.

WTF has time to worry about actually being OUT THERE ?

GTC

I'd like to know WTF the BORDER PATROL was doing up there, when and if their "leadership" finds time to answer questions about his dept's mandates.

GTC

How much money you got in the bank?

Have you ever claimed a deduction on taxes that was questionable?

When did you stop beating your wife?


Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

As to the obvious acceleration of the government takings, the Democrats expect to lose the Senate and to, again, take serious hits in state houses, especially in the West; and this will close a window on their looting. Obama is, also, termed out' and scandals are beginning to oust cabinet Secretaries. The Democrats are stealing all that they can as fast as they can while the window is still open.

Ever notice that:

Rich Republicans come to office with their money.

Rich Democrats leave office with 'their' money.

Yea, like live on welfare and pissing and moaning how bad they have it since slavery was abolished and how the USA is such a miserable place.

I have always found it to be passing strange that guys on a forum dedicated to hunting and outdoor recreation opportunities are so ready to label any and all who are concerned with habitat preservation etc. as "eviro-wackos" or something of the sort. I don't believe environmental protection and land use are mutually exclusive and I do believe the land is there for people as well as wildlife. However, I also believe land management is necessary or wildlife habitat will be lost to economic considerations. I would much rather see public lands supporting herds of elk than supporting herds of herefords. GD

You are seeing the huge divide between conservationist outdoorsmen and preservationist and even exclusionist environmentalists - many who never get closer to the wild lands than Golden Gate Park:

Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
5705 Grant Creek
Missoula, MT 59808

Versus

Sierra Club
National Headquarters
85 Second Street, 2nd Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
USA