Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire OOPS! A gun shop showed me an incorrect map, and I miistakenly trusted it!

Back during my Feb March trip to the Cancer Center for Sherri, I stopped in at a small gun shop next to the center to inquire about the new concealed carry laws just passed. That shop pulled out what was OSTENSIBLY an official publication with information on the law, but as it turns out that map and bit of information was most likely way off base. I have e-mailed Concealed Carry USA to get clarity and will call that gun shop in the AM to find out whose map they are using. It is likely that if they led me astray, others could be endagering thier freedoms by listening to this shop owner and giving more credence to his reciprocity map than is due. As an aside, Getting a firearm, especially a handgun, is a little bit of a hassle going through Chicago/O Hare AP, but not as bad as I feared. And not as bad as they time I flew through JFK with my Africa bound firearms a few years ago.

Declaring at the luggage counter that I was travelling with an unloaded and locked up handgun in my suitcase merely brought out a form for me to sign that the firearm was unloaded, and an airport security officer had to carry my suitcase over to the TSA inspection depot but the airport security guy said that they are already much more accustomed to seeing guns coming through now, and that mine was the sixth handgun he had proccessed through that day, VS more often in the past entire weeks or months going by without seeing a gun go through. Very intriguing information there, IMO. Refreshing to be sure was the TSA guy acted like he knows this was all one big, pointless excercise and was proffessonal and civil enough. It may have helped a bit (or may not have) that I had taped copies of my C&R FFL to one side of my hard pistol case and a page with photocopies of my DL license and copies my four different CCW permit or licenses taped to the other side with the photocopy of my drivers license. Now, none of this is TECHNICALLY needed or required, but it is my thought that identifying onesself as a upstanding citizen and one who is trying to be sensitive and aware of firearms laws helps a cause to at least some degree cannot hurt.

Took the inexpensive 380 this time as a test run, might pack the big ten next time around now that I have less fear of it getting confiscated at the airport, even temporarily.

Checking more carefully about concealed carry reciprocity, I will report back if I find anything out that is useful or different than what is now believed to be the case by most.

TFF

Just curious, but why would an FFL or CCW help with airport checking of a firarm?

A note saying he has CMPH would have been just as effective.

CMPH?

Chronic My Puzzy Hurts

TFF.........

Illinois has no reciprocity with any state so you cannot legally carry there, period, & if you are stopped for any reason & have it in your vehicle, even if locked in a case, you will surely get a schitload of grief.

Additionally, the C&R FFL gives you no rights or protection concerning a modern handgun, either.

Wisconsin has some reciprocity, but not with Oregon.

MM

C'mon, now. He's an upstanding citizen who is aware of firearms laws, at least to some degree. That's gotta count for something, right?..

Really?????????? Wonderin' if she's even that smart.

Laughin' here.

MM

Yep, I go to Illinois a lot and they don't recognize anyone, the OP is full of sh*t, as usual.

Everything the dumbazz touches is a train-wreck. I'm sure the next chapter in the saga will be to either tell us he was mistaken and didn't mean to type Illinois, or that he jumped through the nearly impossible hoops to obtain an Illinois non-resident permit.

And having said that, I'd probably carry a gun and take my chances, but I sure as hell wouldn't go online and brag about it, but some people just can't seem to help themselves.

I believe non resident vehicle carry is legal if you are legal to carry in your home state.

My understanding of Illinois law is that the vehicle cannot have the weapon and the ammo where you can get to both. When I get to the Kentucky line I pull over and put my ammo and magazines in the toolbox of my truck.

BULLSHHIT

Under current law, as written, those who are permitted to carry in their home state are allowed to carry inside their automobile or RV in the state of Illinois.

If they should open the car door and set foot upon the ground with a loaded or concealed weapon they are in violation.

This is, I believe, a new twist on things for Illinois. I gotta believe that most police jurisdictions will still arrest, and it will be interesting to see how this plays out in court.
Handgunlaw.US recommends that no one who does not possess a valid Illinois permit carry in Illinois, in vehicle or out.

It is also interesting that Illinois' SC has ruled that Illinois law that banned weapons carry to be ab initio unconstitutional. Wonder what will happen to all of the old convictions???

The last concealed carry map I saw (at the gun shop in Zion Illinois) showed Illinois being now reciprocal with Utah and Arizona. This was brand new information as of early March this year, and the airport folks verified that they are now seeing lots more handguns in luggage than ever before as a result of this change. That same shop is now offering concealed carry classes for the residents, which according to the shop owner are identical to the Utah Classes, which helps make sense of the reciprocity.

Like I said in the post, such is definately not required. However in my dealings with .gov people, the more documents you have linking you to having some sort of .gov blessings, the less headache you are likely going to run in to and the more likely they are to give credence to your interpretation of the laws. Especially when you speak with eye contact and a firm voice, straight posture, confident look etc. Many of them do not know that much about the rules, and are happy to be compliant with a person who looks to them to be well documented, aware and taking all possible steps to be known as a law abiding person with no ill intent.

Az reciprocity

A simple google search will save you a lot of trouble. Doesn't seem like Az has any sort of agreement with Illinois.

You have to have an Illanoise permit to carry, seems as though Mark broke the law. Something I would certainly advertise.