Home Forums Hunting & Shooting AR and Tactical Rifles PTR-91 (H&K 91 Clone) At The Range

Yeah, there's no gas or piston system. It's just a delayed blowback "roller lock" design. Makes it necessary to rough up the cases on ejection. Extremely reliable, though, vs a piston or gas system.

I was lucky enough to find a Springfield SAR8 on a Greek EBO receiver in 2005.
$650 OTD in excellent condition. The rifle has been flawless.
Haven't seen one since....

They only made a few of those.

Didn't the SAR-8 come in two versions?

Thought one was a stamped steel and very few were made/imported, and the more common one was an aluminum casting?

I know they had them in Ecuador because we took M193 ammo there for them to shoot, I remember doing the paperwork for it.

TAK, I don't know about Ecuador, but they weren't uncommon in El Salvador...or Brazil...or Portugal, Malaysia, Thailand, Spain, etc. RH just isn't calling them by the right name.

I am really not well informed on these I have a CEMTE and its sitting if anyone is interested I would not mind selling it
I am not in it cheap but I am not in it too bad (I think)

Hank

25 countries used the 5.56 version known as the HK33 or HK53. I remember in the 1990's I had I guy in my reserve unit that was US Border Patrol an they carried a few 5.56 HK's.

Scopes and triggers don't make much difference at all off a bench. Unless you just can't see the front sight. It would or should not take off more than half an inch or so for a good shooter. Thats still over 3 inches.

Thats about as accurate or less so than my AK at 100 with ball also.

I don't consider that platform to be called accurate so to speak.

I agree the AK-103 I had would do that group with Tulammo.

The AKs Ive shot tended to have groups noticeably larger than this at 100 yards. Is yours a custom tuned AK?

A G3 clone with a good military barrel and the cocking tube adjusted to free float the barrel will shoot close to an inch at 100, maybe 1-1/2" with irons off a rest. Best way to check accuracy is to remove the forend and rest front of receiver on a rifle rest.
There are ejection bumpers or weld on port shrouds which will tame the ejection, also the deeper the rollers lock, within spec, and using the right burning rate powder will slow down the ejection cycle a little. Even though the brass looks terrible (if you can find it 30 feet away) the cases can be resized four or five times.
If you want a scope, the weld on rails are the way to go.

TRH,

You got me checking the PTR web page, would you know who makes the barrels they use?
Also I see they offer a 'HK profile' and a heavier 'bull' barrel, I don't think it would really make much difference accuracy wise...am I wrong?

Thanks

Don't know the answer to any of those questions. Sorry.

I've not shot a second hand AK, only new polytech, and thats what I actually own. I have heard some horror stories about parts guns, and used 2nd hand ones.

Of course I"ve seen the same with M1 carbines, M1s and so on. Dad said his first carbine had a smoother bore than his shotgun....

PTR Barrel Page
http://www.atdesigner.com/ptr91/techinfo.html

Port Buffer
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/POF-HK91-PORT-BUFFER-NEW-30p2172.htm

Shell Deflector
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK-STEEL-SHELL-DEFLECTOR-30p43.htm

Weld on rail (not the one I use)
http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/BPP-SHORT-5-3-8-PICATINNY-RAIL-FOR-HK-30p1866.htm

Stop and think about that for a minute. If cheap is all you want, then you've found it. And I'm sure it's a decent mount; looks pretty solid.

But for $500.00 you're getting a scope and mount that was designed for military service, and PROVEN in military service. For $500.00!!! How can you beat that? To get ANY scope even approaching the quality of the Hensoldt, you'll spend well over 500.00. Even a fixed Leupold is going to set you back well over $300, and you don't get the mount.

The H&K claw mount is a very slick device, and worth the price. it comes off in less than a second, and goes on in about a second and will come very close to absolute zero when replacing (enough that if you miss at 500 yards, it's your fault; not the equiplment).

The Hensoldt scope is built Ford Tough, and it has a bullet drop compensator for 7.62 NATO. Again, how can you beat that?

I had a 93 back in the '80's. It was a very solid rifle, magazines are excellent; never once failed on me. But it was a heavy pig, so I sluffed it off for a Springfield Armory M1A receiver, GI Parts Kit, and an honest to goodness Leatherwood ART-II scope. I had much more fun with the M14. Then filled my 5.56 itch with an AR-180; excellent rifle.

My Izhmash 103 would shoot 2MOA all day long with Lapua ammo, 3MOA with Wolf, and 3.5-4 with Winchester. I was surprised at the Winchester; didn't see that coming.

When they first set up, I know they were buying barrels from Thompson/Center, the makers of the Contender.

My only complaint with the PTR's is how shallow the chamber fluting is; it's almost non-existent. Now I don't know, but I would be concerned if the rifle got REALLY dirty, it would start to pull case rims off. Again, this is wonder and speculation on my part; I don't know. I just know that the H&K 93 I've had, and the Sig STGw 57 I had both had very deep and pronounced chamber fluting that would all but trash the brass.

Just don't know.