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After all, they broke the law, right?

They haven't been charged nor convicted
Bundy has been, and ignored all the court orders following his conviction

There is no comparison


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First, a person has the reasonable expectation that he can continue to legally ranch the land that his family has ranched in total compliance since 1877. Just because the eviction was legal, doesn't make it right and just.


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The same scenario on private land has those protections based on historical usage. The same laws that apply on private land should apply on public lands.


Let us substitute hunting for ranching for a minute. I have in the past run people off my land while they were hunting and they say "you can't do that, I've hunted here all my life." Well, I can and do. This seems to be about the same thing to me. miles


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Originally Posted by eh76
Personally I think there is more going on here than we are privy too. Seemed like an awful large show of militaristic force up front for just a few "free grazers" and a bunch of cattle.

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According to FoxNews, BLM caused a lot of damage to ranching improvements.

Harry Reid should be impeached as he has failed to represent his constituents.


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After all, they broke the law, right?

They haven't been charged nor convicted
Bundy has been, and ignored all the court orders following his conviction

There is no comparison


How about you show us all where Bundy has been CHARGED with an offense?

How about you show me where he has been CONVICTED of anything?

You are right. There is no comparison because the Bundy matter is a civil matter, and falls under the civil statutes of the courts.

And the legal remedies related to CIVIL matters...Not SWAT teams.

Keep walking to the beat of that drum. mad


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Originally Posted by Buck_
Enforce the laws. The courts have ruled against Bundy. At the very least he should pay all his grazing fees and remove his cattle as ordered. How that can be achieved peacefully, I'm not sure.

I think the American people overwhelming believe that the ballot box and the law should decide what happens, not threats of violence.

Why the laws of both Nevada and U.S. are against Bundy.





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How about you show us all where Bundy has been CHARGED with an offense?

You've been shown lots of things yet you keep parroting the same misinformation

Look up the court orders for yourself and you'll see he was in violation of the law (hence the reason for the COURT orders)

To suggest otherwise is ridiculous

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Show me where he has been charged or convicted of a criminal offense.

Or perhaps don't you understand the difference in civil and criminal?


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Let us substitute hunting for ranching for a minute. I have in the past run people off my land while they were hunting and they say "you can't do that, I've hunted here all my life." Well, I can and do. This seems to be about the same thing to me. miles


Your private property rights accorded by the state you are in would let you remedy that.

On the same token, it WOULD allow recreational use to continue on public lands.

Not only want the rancher gone, but everyone else too.


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In a perfect world:

Long prison sentences for all of the government goons involved from the least agent, bureaucrat, or contractor, to Reid on the Hill and Obama at 1600. The liquidation of all of their assets with the proceeds used first to offset the costs of their up to $10 million intimidation fiasco at the Bundy Ranch, next to cover the projected cost of their imprisonment, and if any is left create a fund to cover the costs of those in property rights disputes with this huge nasty pot of 'alphabet soup' that the Left has cooked up.

Bundy and the original grazing fee issue is very nearly insignificant at this point and of infinitesimally small import compared to this government's corruption and oppression. He at some point consented to fees to graze 600 head and those fees should resume, but the alleged delinquent fees should be reduced or eliminated to compensate him at least in part for his losses and costs due to this idiotic BLM attempt to purge ranchers and ranching.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Show me where he has been charged or convicted of a criminal offense.

Or perhaps don't you understand the difference in civil and criminal?

Google is your friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff


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No question Bundy was fed a s#!t sandwich, legal or not. It's obvious that the system is broken and needs fixed, and a lot of folks have had enough with the government taking our freedoms and rights. This gets fixed one of two ways in my opinion

1. Congress can pass a bill to fix ESA and Equal Access to Justice Act, along with changing BLM mandates to grandfather in ranchers rights.

2. Government can keep pushing, but I have a feeling they won't like the ending to that story.


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Originally Posted by Snyper
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Show me where he has been charged or convicted of a criminal offense.

Or perhaps don't you understand the difference in civil and criminal?

Google is your friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff


Perhaps you can enlighten us as to where we can find where Bundy was charged and convicted of anything in that link you provided? (Or elsewhere for that matter.)

I rest my case about you not knowing the difference in criminal and civil cases. But I never expected you to prove blatant ignorance at the same time. It was a bonus. laugh


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No question Bundy was fed a s#!t sandwich, legal or not.


Yeah well that's the risk anybody takes when they lease land. I'm not feeling much compassion.

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The liberals are gathering...


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Perhaps you can enlighten us as to where we can find where Bundy was charged and convicted of anything in that link you provided? (Or elsewhere for that matter.)

I rest my case about you not knowing the difference in criminal and civil cases. But I never expected you to prove blatant ignorance at the same time. It was a bonus.

I showed what you asked for
I can't make you read or comprehend.
You can't rest a case when you have none, and so far all you've done is talk



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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
The liberals are gathering...


Personal responsibility is conservative. Bundy is a welfare queen that got pissed because they took away his free money.

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Ok. You win. (Well, not really) grin

Now run off and go brag to the other Jr. High girls about it. wink


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Now run off and go brag to the other Jr. High girls about it


And the name calling begins
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