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It seems like the Obama administration is interested in grabbing as much as they can, and putting it under the control of the federal government.


In a move lawmakers and farmers are calling �the biggest land grab in the history of the world,� the Environmental Protection Agency is requesting jurisdiction over all public and private streams in the United States that are �intermittent, seasonal and rain-dependent.�

The EPA and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in late March jointly released a proposed rule, Waters of the United States, in an effort to clarify which streams and wetlands are protected under the Clean Water Act.

A statement issued by the EPA says �the proposed rule will benefit businesses by increasing efficiency in determining coverage of the Clean Water Act.�

But some lawmakers strongly disagree.

According to congressional budget testimony last week, Waters of the United States would give the EPA authority over streams on private property even when the water beds have been dry, in some cases for hundreds of years.

Calling it �the biggest land grab in the history of the world,� House Appropriations Committee Chairman Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Ky., said the �economic impact of that would be profound.�

�A community needing to build on private land that had on it one of these so-called streams that you considered a waterway under the new rule would have to travel thousands, hundreds of miles to D.C., to get approval,� Rogers said.

The congressman argued it �would absolutely freeze economic activity in this country.�

Rogers said the proposal is �proof in and of itself of the mal-intent of this administration toward the private sector.�

The Independent Journal Review has more:

Several lawmakers have noted that the measure, if approved, would give the EPA control over private property such as ponds and creeks:

Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, the top Republican on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, charged, �The � rule may be one of the most significant private property grabs in U.S. history.� He stated that the EPA was �picking and choosing� its science while trying to �take another step toward outright permitting authority over virtually any wet area in the country.� Vitter also noted that if the EPA gets its way, more environmental groups could sue private property owners.



Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, was also furious, saying that the EPA grab �could result in serious collateral damage to our economy.� She added of her home state, �If EPA is not careful, this rule could effectively give the federal government control of nearly all of our state � and prove to be a showstopper for both traditional access and new development.�

The EPA argues that the change is meant to simply clarify the scope of powers that the organization already has, and that those powers are necessary because more than 115 million Americans receive their water from those temporary or seasonal sources.


http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...st-land-grab-in-the-history-of-the-world

I have one question---Who was president when Osama Bin Laden was killed?

Bush said he'd get him dead or alive, and couldn't do it in eight years, although he did manage to totally f**K up the economy in that time.

What does OBL have to do with the EPA topic at hand?

just another libtard troll............bummer ballwasher

rbinhood, does your mommy know you're talking to strangers on the computer?

I'd like to see the picture of Obummer with his tactical gear on during the night raid that got OBL. I'm sure the narcissist in chief has a photoshopped one on his night stand, maybe you do too. Sounds like something an Obummer ball washing 12 post troll would have right next to the astro-glide. Not to steal one of Larry's signature lines but��Congratulations?

Certainly Bush had the opportunity though mistakes were made and he (OBL) escaped. But to be truthful Clinton also had an even better opportunity and never took it. Our military has had opportunities on several occasions. Certainly they are up to the task if they are allowed to do what they are trained to do. There was nothing special about the fact that it happened at the time that it did- just that the Navy Seal Team was allowed to operate. Even then it almost went south for them. So if you want to give credit and blame- perhaps the whole OBL and company attack on the US can be laid squarely on the feet of Billy "I never" Clinton. Of course the economy would not be in the straits it is in presently either if we had not ended up in "Bush's" (thoroughly bi-partisan) war in the Middle East.

Klikitarik, you are a breath of fresh air. Someone with a brain who knows how to use it and can actually think for himself, rather than spout the company line heard on Rush and O'Reilly like so many of the Koch brother's minions who inhabit this place.

Ptarmigan, OSU Sig, and eh76, you all suck Koch.

This epa water grab is huge. It will shut down any type of activity around anywhere it rains. They want to regulate water puddles. You would have to get a permit to blade your drive way if you had a water puddle in it. This is way over the top.

Don't assume I didn't recognize you for what you are. Hopeless Change is just that. We've had enough.

OBL is gone. Great! But what does that solve now? We will be better off when BHO is gone - less than 1000 days. Hurray!

Your posts sound very similar to another liberal whack job on this site. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder........

Awwww.......I bet you just lost a friend.

It amazes me the someone comes on this site and challenges the narrow conservative view of the world and politics that so many here espouse, and you people can't handle it. You live in a little white bread world where you are threatened by anyone who dares to think, or for that matter, look different than you do. It must be Hell to go through life scared of anything or anyone that's different than you are. If there's a brain cell between the bunch of you, it's gotta be awfully lonely.

Like the commercial says, "you can learn a lot from a DUmmy".


Please continue...........lol.

What you confuse with thinking is nothing more than anathema to everything the US was built on and used to make the US the super-power it was. Without it we would never have done what we have done at war and during times of peace.

And now all you "thinkers" want a big piece of someone else's pie and wonder why your whining is not perceived as valuable. What part of the money I worked for do you think you deserve now?

What part of the military that allowed you to be the "thinker" you claim to be do you want to corrupt now?

What part of the social experiment slippery slope do you wish to corrupt even further?

And finally, which glide path do you think best for the US as you "thinkers" do all you can to eliminate every single thing that made the US what it was?

OBL is retired on the french riviera. Not dead just retired. The EPA wants your land, all of it. How much more government do we need to pay for? This thread is about a huge land grab, not some dead or retired muslin. Get back on track. We have 50 or so non-enforcement agencies in the federal government arming them themselves. Why? You ever stop to think it is to grab your land, possessions, house, and pay check when ever they want it. Wake up Americans.

Your intelligence is only rivaled by your originality. Nice try but epic fail, champ. Keep playing, though. You're doing swell...

Quoted for truth.

What's amazing, is that low-information folks like you like to play the 'intellectual card'.

I suppose it makes dumbasses like you feel better, but the fact is your 'intellectual card' is the joker.

Ironbender: Can you tell me what pi is to the 4th place?

I didn't think so.

Now, who is the dumbass?

[quote=Klikitarik]Don't assume I didn't recognize you for what you are.


What's the matter Kliki, can't take a compliment? Or are you afraid that your buddies here might disown you because I paid you the compliment? Seems you may have a little more going on between your ears than the rest of the nitwits here who don't have an original thought between them.

BTW, Kliki, what am I, other than a person who has the courage to call it as it is?

While your contribution is admirable, I think you have donated enough today. Thanks!

Sitka: What part of the money that you worked for have I asked for?

Thinking in your mind equates with anyone questioning the way things are done. Little people with little brains just keep doing it like it always has been done, but I understand that anyone who asks questions is really scary to you. You're not in your comfort zone unless you surround yourself with other idiots who think just like you do. When anyone dares to question your thought process, your only instinct is to attack the person to avoid thinking about what they might be asking. You would have fit in real well during the Dark Ages.

Ptarmigan:

Looks like you made a lot of contributions to that jar before I ever arrived.

You guys are like a gang of 8th graders. By yourself, you aren't jack.

Actually, you could not possibly be farther from the truth. Your mindset wants to give away everybody else's stuff to others, including that which I have worked for (my money for one.)

Asking questions is far from scary to me... It is asking questions like "Why haven't you given me more?" Or "Why shouldn't we raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour?" Or "Why do we need a military?" that disgust me. It is my full-blown contempt for specific thoughts which are far from unique or original to you, but rather the birdbrain parrot.

And worse it is your obvious contempt for everything you do not understand about how the World really works and how pathetic we have become as a country.

This clowns posts are very similar to another freeloader that frequents this site. He's not fooling anybody.

rbinhood, are you from Tennessee? You are moments from going on ignore. miles

Now that's a real original thought---you want to give away my stuff to: A. Darkie; B. Mexicans; C. Illegals; D. Welfare Mommas (take your pick and fill in the blanks).

You see, this is how the brain trust of the conservative movement gets you all riled up. They want you to think that someone (a liberal)is gonna get your stuff, and worse, gonna get it for free.

Aside from your money, which I am assuming you are referring to taxes, how much of your other stuff has been given away, and please identify the person it was given to?

BTW, you dodged the question in my last post: When did I ask you for your money?

Eagle River, WI just doesn't seem as appealing to me anymore. I'm surprised they let liberals live that far north in WI.

My, my, Ptarmigan, enquiring minds want to know?
Something I've said is really bothering you---could it be the truth? Could it be that someone put a spotlight on that rock that you crawled out from under?

Nah, slow at work today. Just found a moving target, that's all. This stuff is just entertainment to me, and you happen to be at the center of it today. The truth? Hahaha!!! Keep guessing!!

rbinhood,

What do you think of the proposed EPA regulations to control all run-off water in the USA? Do you have an opinion as to how that will affect yourself and others?

We all need the same basic things---air to breath, water to drink, and food to eat. Everything I've read and learned from experience says polluted air and water will kill you, and may poison your food.
If controlling runoff is aimed at keeping the water we need to drink pure, then it would make sense to control runoff. Runoff goes into our lakes, rivers, streams, and groundwater, which is where our drinking water comes from. If there is some other reason to control runoff, then we need to identify it, and ask if it makes sense. If the reason is to protect the purity of our drinking water, I'm all for it. Anyone want to drink polluted water?

Hence the screen name, eh?

Some need gooberment to tell em not to eat yellow snow

Some need government to tell them not to piss in the reservoir where everyone gets their drinking water, as in Portland Oregon.

Wow.

An Oregonian.

JeffZero reincarnated?

I might be down and out but it looks like we have a fan!

Got a vole in your pocket?

I am not part of the group, have no ties to the aforementioned political view and am several thousand miles away.

...and I disagree with you, and your method.

It appears we have a new dimocrat in our midst.

29 posts and this guy is making big waves. I see his handle must parallel his views: rob from the rich and give to the poor.

Hey moron, no one is afraid here of different points of view. We are just engaging a newcomer here who has "sharp elbows" and needs to be educated. We can handle it - evidently you can't.

Really? Why do you feel it is important to be able to quote pi to the 4th place? Why not the 6th place? And, why would an average guy need to store that useless information when it is so easy to retrieve?

8th grade pretty well describes you and your brand of attacks. Love the name calling and slander you immediately take on. Precious. Please carry on, you're doing fine!

Wrong OSU! Go back and read my original post, which can be found on page 1. As Antler pointed out, all I did was ask who was president when OSB was killed. YOU were the person who replied by asking if my "mommy" knew if I was on the computer.
Your problem, Jackass, is you can sling sh*t, but you can't take it when someone throws it back at you. You're a chickensh*t f*cktard.

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Bye.

JSTUART---I respect your right to disagree with me and my posts. Some would define that as freedom.

Way- way. to many "merry men " ...have been high fiving over your back their...robinthehood... sadchit

You go girl!

why is it these libtard trolls feel the need to spread their ludicrous propaganda and attempt to convince us they are saving the world? Libtards have to be the most intolerant crowd around. Don't believe me? Go to DU and start a post like this joker has and see how long it takes you to be banned.

They aren't going to change our views, we won't change theirs either. They don't have enough common sense to see the truth in anything. Other than to create a ruckus there is no other reason for them to be here.

Libtards are funny animals if they don't like something nobody should.



Good post Sitka deer

Why do liberals even come here? Seems kinda pointless to me.

Seems they join up around election time/paid demon hacks in my book------ while googling > they find a site where real men are at an join up ....then rite about/before their "gender reassignment operation" (and the election) they go away.....

AK and atv, It's an open forum, and you don't own it.

atv, if you had a pair, you'd be dangerous. You make up for your impotence by insulting other' masculinity.

Lol..........never said we owned it, it simply makes no sense for a person to hang around people that you have absolutely nothing in common with, kinda like talking to the wall if you know what I mean.

Love the name calling. That's priceless. Please continue.

btw bobbinrobbin I piss in NE water supply quite regularly...flush twice cause they need the water!

typical example of a liberal like bobbinrobbin...lady harassing a conservative..and her beau at the end..

Because this is a hunting and firearms related site...and the last I saw the is no restriction on political bias required to be a member.

And aren't you missing the whole point of the exercise...YOU WANT, DESPERATELY NEED those of the liberal view to own firearms and hunt as it is how you will keep yours.

WARNING:...THERE IS CURRENTLY A NASTY LITTLE POP-UP CONNECTED TO THE EDIT BUTTON.

+1 for JSTUART.

wrong they won't change...you don't get it..they don't care about freedom...they are all about socialism....

attempting to suck up and recruit will do you no good

eh76---I began hunting with my grandfather when I was 6 years old. I would sit with him in the duck blind. When I was 7, I began to walk with my Dad and uncles as they hunted pheasants. At 10, I began to carry a shotgun when my grandfather took me rabbit hunting. At 12, I shot my first grouse and a deer. I also began reloading shotgun and pistol shells in my grandfather's basement. I was a Junior member of the NRA, but by age 17, I could already see that the NRA was being corrupted by people with a single track political agenda, and the NRA was losing sight of its core mission. I have continued to reload all of my life, and I taught my son how to do it when he was 12 years old. I was with my son when he shot his first deer at the age of 12.
At present, I own 4 pistols, about a dozen shotguns, and a dozen+ rifles. I hunt every year in multiple states, and in Canada. I have taught Hunter Safety to kids. I have a concealed carry permit, and I carry. If I met you on the street and you threatened to physically harm me or my family, I would shoot you and not think twice about it. If you broke into my house, I would also shoot you if you threatened me or my family. I just thought you might like to know, as JSTUART so astutely pointed out, Conservatives don't own the gun debate.

Next thing he'll be tellin us is how he was special forces, or a navy seal. Only [bleep] that swallow, could support democrats that signed their gun rights over to the UN.

Watch4bear--Nope. Was neither. But it don't matter, because I could sure as hell kick your sissy little ass.

so explain your stupidity..you are awful violent in your wording

Looky, the little [bleep] is butt hurt

Tell us how you'd give up your guns to the UN, split tail.

Why so violent in your posts? rying to provoke something?

Don't dodge this again...

He's a left wing extremist. They're worse than terrorists

so explain your stupidity..you are awful violent in your wording

and you are a very confused and convoluted person...perhaps we should notify the authorities in you city to your behavior...please post your location...you are in definite need of help from the authorities.....it is for your own good and for those around you

He'll shoot his eye out

My first post asked a simple question. Other folks have been trying to provoke things since then. You have just run into someone who won't back down and you don't know how to deal with it.

eh76- I get to Wyoming every year--Dubois. Why don't you come down to the Pine and I'll buy you a drink?

Say when but I don't socialize with liberals..every year huh? and I don't trust people with blank profiles

Your first post was totally unrelated to anything and showed you for a liberal [bleep]. You have no guns, you never been hunting; and I doubt you know anyone who has. Just remember, continuous anal sex, causes uncontrollable anal leakage.

I do believe you're a bit paranoid---or scared.

That would explain what is continuously leaking out of your mouth. Can you see Russia, too?

Why do liberals support [bleep], anti-hunters, anti gunners, other enviro [bleep], baby killers, illegal aliens, Iranians, muslim brotherhood goat [bleep], draft dodgers and global warming?


Cause they're queers

nope just not stupid..nor do I care to share time with someone who doesn't think logically

you should post in the general forum...rbinhood ....if you dare

That you admitted to being for the purpose of "stirring the pot".

Try being honest.

! glad I could pull out for a few.... and get some air myself...that mustache that takes u 1/2 a year to grow feels good.... Now back to work!

I've decided you're all a pretty unhappy lot, wallowing in your own misery, and trying to drag others down with you.

Wrong, you are just pure poosie.

Gunner

OK gents, it's pretty obvious that robbing hood has been successful so far in keeping us from discussing the original topic. However, now that he is on ignore, let's hear what the regulars think about the original question, which I am sure a serious statist would not want to have discussed.

My thoughts boil down to That's Enough Already. Yours?

AR#2 in the pressure cooker.

Gunner

I'm not sure that any of us understand the length and breadth of overreach by government agencies under the current administration.

Those of us that can see do, buttcrackers like robbincods do not.

Gunner

I've decided that rbinhood is just a unhappy little troll who is not pleased unless everyone he comes into contact with is as unhappy as he is. Must really suck to be so unhappy all the time.

Seriously?!!!! What are you, some kind of an idiot?

Yes, liberals are disease ridden little putrid excuses for human beings, total wastes of skin, I would gladly finance the grease it would take to keep the woodchippers running 24/7/365.

Gunner