Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Well, it turns out Remington's new R51 is a gigantic turd.

Just horrible reviews coming in - the worst I can remember for a big name gun from a major manufacturer. They're having pretty much every problem you can have with a pistol. It's too bad, I was going to buy one and give it a shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTzS4sQfn4U

I never liked the looks of the old ones and the new ones look worse. I didn't think it was a good idea. Looks like I was right.

and you expected what from Ram it in....

From what I've seen from Remington over the last ten years or so I cannot help but wonder WTH is goin' on in that company?? Are the bean-counters in such control that quality is pushed to the bottom of the list of goals?

It's really too bad. For decades, Remington was producing very good firearms.

Took that guy 30 minutes to say something was a POS.


Travis

What a piece of junk.

Now I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination but to me it's not a Pederson gun.

It's not all steel. It's made out of space age materials which is probably a major reason for the problems.

It fires a cartridge it was never designed to fire.

And last but not least there's little to no hand fitting. All designs of the first fifty years of the 1900's require proper hand fitting to work. Even brand new 1911's made on CNC machines still need hand fitting to work properly. That's just the way it is with early 1900 designs.

have always been a fan of the Pederson design, almost bought one of the 51's, glad I held up!

Retail is $450 ???? WTF !!
My CZ 82 only ran $150 and has been perfect.

It's owned by a leveraged investment company...........worst of all worlds as far as managing a business goes.

MM

The newest 700 I have seen shot sub-MOA to 500+ yards.

So they must still be doing something right.



Travis

That maybe more of the problem than anything.

yep, I have a 700P thats about 4 yrs old now. Never had a rifle that's as consistently accurate as that piece o' junk recent manufacture remington.

"Well, it turns out Remington's new R51 is a gigantic turd"

I suppose I'd refer to it as a compact and ergonomically pleasing turd. You can't have it all.....

Like Travis said, at least they have the 700. Could probably lump the 870 in there too.

I just got a chance to see it and all I can say is YIKES! Take a look at 7:20 seconds in, when shooting it there is an issue with bulged cases???? Issues with double-feeding and the slide not coming all the way forward?

That is not waht I expect from Big Green. Lorcin or Ho-Point maybe, but not Big Green

I have no complaints with any of my 700's either & 2 of those were made since the current owners took over.

Remington was historically run by a lot of genuine, hands on gun people, like Mike Walker, for example...........all that is gone now for the most part & the owners are investment bankers with a different view of the business.

I'm sure there are still lots of good, dedicated holdover workers & technical people from when Remington was the old company, not owned by Cerberus, but I guarantee you from experience, that when investment people buy a business that the view of the goals & performance of that business changes.

It also tends to have a major impact of how capital is invested & how R&D is done; also the view of the people doing the marketing usually changes from "what used to be" to "how it will be from now on".

The goal with most investment banker / group owned companies is to attempt to buy low, increase short term sales & flip the business at a significant profit.........sometimes the businesses are made better by the process, but, unfortunately, most times it is not.

MM

+1

I have two old Remington firearms. Got both of them new about 30 years ago. M700 / 30-06 and M870 / 12 ga. Both guns have seen a lot of use over the years and never had one problem.

DFE - thanks for posting the link. That was about the most professional and unbiased test report I've seen on anything. I'll have to check out some of his other videos.

So - that's pretty disappointing. I think I disagree with the reviewer on his point that the Pederson action was a bad choice, based on this test. It looks to me like the design may be fine, but the execution is lacking. It may all come down to QC and spring rate choices. I do think Remington made a bad call in trying to focus on "easier manipulation" - they should have just gone for reliability and simple operation.

I still think it might be a great gun with some refinement and good QC - IF it doesn't turn out that 9mm pressures are too much for the Pederson action of that size in the long term. I hope Remington puts their collective nose to the grindstone and quickly rectifies the problems. If doing so (successfully) bumps the price up a bit, it would still be worth it.

Wow. What a piece of crap!

look what they have done with marlin. is it any wonder this thing is a POS? and from what i heard their 1911 is a POS too. the 700/870 line is probably mature so its safe but the new stuff is apparently crap.

Don't know how much of it is "space age" - but if any part of the camming action is being handled by aluminum, I think that may be a problem.

I would have preferred to see an all-steel pistol - but in today's market, that seems to be viewed as unacceptable by most.