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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...with-the-second-amendment/#ixzz2zcDVzkhK

He seems to be looking to find some happy middle rather than taking a good strong right wing position that I'd like to see. Any one else have any information on his position? He certainly gives a good speech and didn't have a problem offending Obama in a speech he gave. I fear he's another centrist. What say you?

From the article, pretty obvious he IS playing the middle ground and sounds like he would support either/and/or registration, forced testing, controls on so-called assault weapons etc.etc. If he hasn't figured it out by now.....?
Unfortunate, but he is what he is.

he seams to spent more time on the right of middle , more emphasis on protection from tyranny than anything else

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This country doesn't need another Black President Period . It needs another Ronald Raygun Reagan

A candidate's stance on the Second Amendment is pretty much my litmus test.

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second amendment, abortion, states rights, immigration, economy.

yes, I would agree on that. Looks like we will never have another candidate we can vote on for President, with a clear conscience. No candidate will ever be on the 'right' side of all of those issues.

I would add abortion as well. Libtards deny the humanity of the unborn and attribute "life-force" to an inanimate object, IE, a firearm. To use sociological jargon, this is totem-worship.

The views on these two issues are, IMO, a thumbnail sketch of a person's worldview.

Dr. Ben is a work in progress on a lot of issues that had never been anywhere near the top of his list before.

On healthcare he is at the top of his game. I doubt that he had ever spent much time thinking about the 2nd Amendment when he was fixing peoples brains. Seems like he had a full time job to me.

Now gun control and several other issues are spooling up for him as he moves to the national debate.

Your OP link is from last year. Now He has had time for a harder look and has changed his mind on gun registration.


Dr. Ben Carson Against Gun Registration: We 'Should Be Really Concerned' About Martial Law
Breitbart News: Breitbart TV
http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv
by Tony Lee 10 Mar 2014On Monday at The New York Meeting, Dr. Ben Carson said he does not believe in gun registration because America's massive debt could transform the nation into a third-world country in which martial law may be imposed.

Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who has been getting buzz in conservative circles, said that he changed his mind and was against gun registration because of the "sinister internal forces" that could surface in that scenario. He said he "used to think they needed to be registered, but if you register them they just come and find you and take your guns."

"If we were only concerned about external forces, then we would be okay," he said. "But there are some pretty sinister internal forces."

He then asked the audience to think about a scenario in which countries around the world drop the dollar as their reserve currency.

"We have a national debt that is so high, and it's being raised even higher," he said. "Now, the only reason we can do that is because we are the reserve currency for the world. What if that changes?"

Carson mentioned that Russian President Vladimir Putin threatened to "remove America as our reserve currency" if America imposed economic sanctions.

"What if other people come along?" Carson asked, saying China and the U.N have mentioned doing the same. "We would become a third-world nation overnight. Occupy Wall Street would be a walk in the park. And all of a sudden, the things that would be going on in this country which would necessitate marital law... all this could happen very rapidly. We should be really concerned."

He is a great neurosurgeon. I fail to see how that qualifies him to be great at everything! Though I agree with most of his positions, the 2nd is a pretty simple thing to understand. The problem is, the left has imposed enough infringement to make it commonplace. Inch by inch they are taking away our right to keep and bear arms, and now OUR side is AGREEING with them. Seeing as how we have more gun related crime than say, in 1950, it just CAN'T be the laws. Gotta be something else. Not the gun, it just sits there. I know - LETS BLAME THE DANG CRIMINALS. Whatta concept.

Bow, don't bring logic to the discussion, you'll only dampen the animus.

You're right, benchmark, it ain't rocket science. Even a brain surgeon could figure it out in a few minutes of discussion.

That's it exactly and you can see the progress of Carson as he moves to the right on a number of issues he hadn't thought through before. He has a good mind and excellent thinking and I am confident in the conclusions he will develop. As said, on gun control he has thought it through and is much stronger for the Second Amendment than he was even a year ago. Every body grows, learns and changes. Give the man a break.

Dr Carson would be a fine Surgeon General. If conservatives win the next rounds of elections.

A work in progress? The same thing could have been said about both Bush's and Romney and McCain, and look where that has left us.

If Carson has plans to run for POTUS he should already have his ducks in a row and full understanding of the constitution and the bill of rights. He'll be swearing an oath to uphold both if he wins. That sorta means something.

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Gunner

The problem with surgeon generals is they don't really affect much. Kind of a figure head.

I would like to see him at HHS.

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Or a senator from his state.

I disagree. Your examples are lifetime politicians. Carson seems to have jumped in mostly after he retired last summer. I could not find that he has joined any political party except his �Logic party.�

Recently, SuperPAC RunBenRun has raised over $4 million to get him to change his mind...

Carson spent his life as one of the top neurosurgeons in the country with dozens of awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom and several books.
Carson was the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins joined at the head.

I don�t doubt for a minute that his lifelong experience with firearms was dealing mostly with gunshot wounds to the head. Bound to be an influence.

I guess he would have to run for the Senate in his home state of Maryland.

I Think Dr. Ben would be perfect in charge of HHS and building an alternate plan to ObamaCare. A healthcare plan that actually works.
He has served at the highest levels in the medical field.

I could also see him as a black conservative VP candidate.

I don't care if he's won the nobel peace prize and saved my child from a life threatening brain injury by gunshot or otherwise. If he hasn't wrapped his head around the 2nd ammend. by this point in his life or understands the reason for it's acknowledgment by the founders, he ain't gettin' my vote.

That's the crux of rights and principles. If you don't stick to em', they don't do you much good.

Once he stated that Assault Rifles could be owned but it would be depending on where you live...his 15 mins of "Conservative" fame should have ended.

The following is from the last of his article:

"Perhaps instead of getting into our corners and screaming at each other, it is time to engage in intelligent conversation about our desire to preserve the rights granted to American citizens by our Constitution while at the same time ensuring the safety of all of our citizens. The way we treat access to automobiles is a good starting point, although there is no perfect analogy. If we keep our goals in mind and dispose of ideological rhetoric, we can solve this problem."

He has the wrong starting point. I suggest we treat the analysis the same way as we treat access to any other fundamental right protected by the Constitution.

Rather than analogizing to automobiles, I suggest we start comparing the right to possess arms to the right to possess religious literature, such as the Bible or perhaps to political propaganda such as "The Audacity of Hope". Both of these books have been used to create or justify much more harm and suffering than all the firearms ever created.

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Wonder if the folks quoting old stuff from Carson that he has since changed would like to be held to anything we could dredge up that they said in the past! No changes allowed: if you ever said something we disagree with, stand against the wall so we can shoot you.

A few of us come out of the womb with minds set in concrete on all topics: we know everything and anyone who disagrees with us is totally wrong. There's no need for any thinking. But most humans learn and change and grow with the years. If no one's mind can be changed (nor be trusted if it does change), why do we bother getting our message and the facts of reality out there?

Reagan did not start his career with the same politics he had when he matured.

Both better ideas.

Gunner

"Do you think the Supreme Court was wrong when it found that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep arms in Washington, D.C., and Chicago?" Taranto asked.

"I truly believe in Second Amendment rights," Carson said. "I would never advocate anything to interfere with Second Amendment rights; however, I do think we have to be intelligent."
He said his point in saying that was to address situations--like in Detroit--where people with AK-47s are mowing people down.
"We need to engage in a discussion about, 'Is there something we can do?'" Carson said before saying that "we have to keep in mind that law-abiding American citizens absolutely should have gun rights."

I've listened to the man talk,..and I don't doubt that he's sincere and honorable.

,...and I also believe that there's good reasons for keeping goblins from having firearms.

But he's naive in the sense that he believes that government can be empowered to keep firearms away from goblins without descending down that slippery slope which terminates in all firearm owners being classified as goblins.

My read on the man is that he is asking. Asking for an intelligent discussion, looking for ways to slow down the carnage.

If the good doctor were to ask me�I would explain how the carnage is slowing down.
Numbers are trending down.

I would show how CC has lowered crime rates.
Remind him that the high crime areas he has talked about has the highest gun ownership restrictions.

Ask him to think about one simple fact. How is it that as the flow of weapons from states where it is far easier to own guns, have far lower crime rates than those cities and states where the weapons end up?

People get packed in too tight, they get bad/mad. They move out from the city to the country here all the time, build fences, post their land,. They bring their city with them, and their money too.

...disarm the gangbangers. sweep THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, not law abiding citizens homes and apts. that will slow down the killing.

Now, the 1st Amendment freedom of speech and guarantee to speak ones mind is akin to human conscienceness, or thought; your very being. First you have the thot, then you speak it.

AND number two, is in its position for a reason. Its not 4 or 5, its the 2ND Amendment. The right to protect said conscienceness and well being by any means.

THATS what i prefer Carson to say. Then its case closed. And its irrefutable. As it should be

Consider the rollback that the govt. handed big tobacco on the first amendment. Or they would still be selling cigarettes to the kids. And when the law changed to no more smoking in restaurants and bars, Oh geezus they was all going under.

Great idea!!!! Grow a set of balls, and attack the BAD guys - NOT THE GOOD GUYS! Heck the good guys are easy. That is the reason they go after us. We obey the law, and for the most part, do what we are told. The bad guys say pluck you, and continue on their way.

I would rather see HHS disbanded, along with every other unconstitutional cabinet.

...There you have it. A restriction on semi autos. Nothing more needs to be said.

That video is a year or more old. It is also such a stupid illogical unconstitutional statement that I would be surprised and disappointed if Carson would say the same thing today. I am curious what he will say in the next video and will hold my torch from lighting him at the stake meanwhile.

If he still holds the same position, he doesn't get any vote from me. Carson has pulled his head out of the urban operating room and begun to apply his critical thinking to a broad spectrum of issues on a level that is new to him. He's received some tough criticism for his gun statements from last year, and rightly so. He's not running for anything yet. Let's see if he comes around.

I don't know. His positions seem to be conditional on where one lives or their lifestyle. He also seems like a rational enough man that is likely uneducated about guns and gun ownership. I'd be willing to bet he could be educated on the issue and change his views based on logic.

Great list.

I still see Dr. Ben as a brilliant man who lived a full life outside of politics.
There are lots of experts who are not anywhere up to speed on matters outside their world.
There are a lot of us gun nuts on Campfire who can�t perform brain surgery.

A lifetime of dealing with gunshot wounds maybe should have given Dr. Ben more to think about.
Guess he is not perfect. Probably can�t walk on water, either.

Now that he has changed gears; as a quick learner, Dr. Ben will spool up very fast.
He has only been in the game about a year. And the healthcare debacle has been at the top of his list.

As it should be. I cannot think of anyone with a better background to play a major role in fixing this mess.