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ok, completely remove carbon dating, plate tectonics, geological formations, ect
Just using historical writing the Sumerian civilizations kicked off about the time the earth came into being.
I'm cool with that as their mythology sounds a lot like genesis...
so my question is... were there no dinosaurs, the dinosaurs lived and died before men or along side men?

You're probably best off asking someone that was there.

According to Land of the Lost, Dinosaurs lived alongside Cha-Ka, I guess he's man-like...

(Worst use of a Banjo,..Ever..!)

yabba dabba doo

Why would you purposely ignore rational understanding?

I'm not telling - figure it out yourselves.

There appears to be plenty of room to question the currently accepted mainstream conclusions, but you sure as hell won't hear it at the university...the new evangelists.

Rational to me is exploring both sides of theory (and that is what it is) and not preaching either as gospel. To date, that has been as elusive as the missing link...although Ingwe appears to be a candidate.

A guy is best off gathering contradicting research methinks, rather than accepting the gospel of experts--if he is serious....

The things quoted above are facts. There is no other 'side'.

It's very different from something like climate change.

Gap theory

Young earth, old earth, meh, who cares?
There is no reason science and uhh, let's call them "Believers in Genesis" has to conflict.
Scientist agree, at some point it all came into being. The "Big Bang" if you will. What is debated in science is HOW it came into being. Singularity, String Theory, etc., etc., etc.,...there's no end to the theories of how it came into being. They can measure red-shift and a hundred other means of discovering the universe expanding and they have "looked back" over time and discovered that when "it" happened, in about one minute the universe expanded 100 billion miles and continues today.... and on and on it goes. What they all agree on, is at some point it STARTED. In other words, it had a beginning.
So...
"In the beginning"

You can finish out that sentence however you like. But science doesn't have an answer to finish that sentence. About all they have is "In the beginning, there was a beginning" or, "In the beginning, the universe began" or some similar. Again, HOW it began is the subject of endless theories and debate.

What I believe, and the important thing to know is, "In the beginning GOD CREATED the heavens and the earth."
If that took 7 literal days, or 7 billion years, what do I care? The timetable really isn't that important. The important thing is GOD CREATED. And no, I don't believe the Bible to be inaccurate insofar as it apparently indicates creation took 7 literal days. God lives outside time and space. One "day" may mean a billion years, I don't know.

But a God that can speak the universe into existence, could certainly make it in 7 days, or 7 milliseconds and make it look however old He wants.
So to me, the young earth vs old earth is an exercise in futility and holds no eternal consequences.

And if ya don't believe in God, what difference does it make anyway?

FWIW, so does what science knows about "the beginning".

I'm of the belief that a lot of time passed between Gen. verse one and verse two. The original text words imply the world was created perfect and then something happened to make it a chaos without form and void. I personally believe what caused it was the war in Heaven and the fall of Lucifer.

Other than just as interesting talk that hypothesis really has no bering on us, salvation, or our future.

Here is the major fly in the ointment of this question.

2 Peter 3:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

That's interesting. I'm gonna run that theory past a friend who spends his life in ministry and is VERY well educated in the science of creation.
It is just accepted that satan was cast out of heaven before creation as he was present in the garden to seduce and cause the fall of man. No one really knows when that happened.

My friend, even if it were mandated that three times a day we comrades publicly acknowledge that carbon dating, plate tectonics, and geological formations were facts, they would in fact still be theories.

There are long-standing and compelling arguments against the dating via geological formations and more recently carbon dating.

It doesn't cost anything to search and read the objections--unless you are a public school educator needing to stay employed.

He was definitely cast out of Heaven before God created Adam and Eve. In Luke 10:18 Jesus said he saw Lucifer fall like a lightening flash from Heaven. Could that have been the comet that killed the dinosaurs?

Also every other verse in Gen says that when God created anything, he saw that it was good. Why would God create the Heavens and earth without form and void? Look at this word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohu_wa-bohu

Do the math, eight on the Ark, so in about 4000 years there was obviously a bunch of incest lovemaking going on to up the population to over 6 billion.

Only ones around to do the deed were Noah's sons and their wives. I'm guessing banging a cousin is good stuff to get the population we have now.

You have to start somewhere and internet dating was not available.

My wife is a twin--will have to tell you that story sometime...

According to The Bible the behemoths roamed the earth ages ago (in what some bible scholars refer to as the first earth age).