Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Bundy lied, and Fox let him.

The lawyers don't seem to have helped him much the first three times he went to court. Has anything changed?

You can have the best lawyers in the world, but it's obvious he's in a bad position from a legal standpoint.

He had public opinion on his side after the goobermint swept in like the 82nd Airborne> He should have lawyered up again and tried negotiate a quiet settlement.

Maybe he could have kept the rights to part of the range in question.

Instead, he's out barking like a dog and doesn't realize his 15 minutes of fame is coming to an end.

The public will become bored with the story and the BLM will sneak back in and dispossess him.

I comprehend WAY more about the law in this case than you do about ranching on a BLM permit. That is for sure.

You also know that I have said several times that I don't agree that Bundy did everything right, and that his legal hold would have been better to pay fees on the reduced permit and then fight over size and numbers.

I won't even argue that probably BOTH sides are breaking some sort of laws. But, I believe the Constitution has been infringed upon by the government, and not by Bundy. Bundy may have broken BLM public grazing policies and had civil judgments rendered against him, but as far as I can tell, he has been charged with no criminal violation, nor with violation to Constitution.

Admittedly, it does rile me a bit when some eastern dumbass tells me that what started all this was Bundy not paying his bills or fees. That is ignorance at it's best. To continue to argue that is the root cause of all the trouble is just plain stupidity.
And Bob, you are still a condescending prick. In case you forgot.

Saw this one today . . .

F you, douchebag. Do you actually think land and water rights are exclusive to you folks? JHC, please tell me you're not that stupid.

The most esteemed land and riparian rights lawyers are on the east and west coasts, dimwit. They go where the money is, of course.

Spare me your condescending prick HS,amigo. You've defined it over the last month.

I'm sorry facts have knocked the schit out of you but until you deal with them, I'll only give you the attention you deserve.

Here's another.

He's very emotional.

Going in the Derby & Hawk file.

You think he has been competition for you, the master?

Don't worry he has a lot to work toward if that is his goal. You've got campfire condescending prick status all but nailed down.

I know we needn't encourage you not to rest on your laurels .

In all seriousness, this back and forth has made for some great theater.

Now that's a real funny one. Pot meet kettle.

Real cool Rock.

Sadly, I think this right here is true as much as I've enjoyed the lively discussion it's produced.

That's the only sensible thing he's said. LOL

Where's Gerry Spence when you need him?

Back atcha azzhole.

Who said land and riparian rights are exclusive to the West? Not me. But when you try to tell me what is allowed and not allowed per a BLM lease permit, then shift focus from that when you are informed you are wrong about certain things, you are not making your case, Bob.

I deal strictly with the facts. Not illusion, such as slimebag lawyers resort to when they are not smart enough to make a cognitive argument.

Do I side with Bundy in everything? Nope. But, to dismiss the clear violations of law by the feds in the manner of how they handled things, and the constitutional violations by the government needs to be sided against.

The facts of what started the whole mess needs to be explained. The ignorance of fees being the cause of all this needs to be dispelled.

So, if I look bad for cherry picking what I choose to enlighten people with, or I look bad for saying that the government could have handled things in a manner that was more acceptable and allowable under the law, then so be it.

At least I won't look bad for the wrong reasons.

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I'm sympathetic to the elder guys who only know the way they know. Change affects everyone;abrupt,unecessary force of that change affects even moreso.

I have given the best sound advice I know how to give being that I know how this works legally after 26 years of practice. Bundy's tit is in a ringer. The fact is, Bundy knows that as well. Instead of bringing in the honorably intentioned men who truly don't understand the law, pool up your money and get Bundy a lawyer who can mitigate enough salvation to save his mouthy ass.

For those of you who think the government didn't win the day in being wise enough to avoid bloodshed and death over this HS,after courts of law have ruled, shame on what you've become.

Well, it sure beats where public opinion and other events would be right now if they hadn't. I wouldn't call looking like a bunch of Keystone Cops going to the circus a solid "win" though.

fuggin' commies,...

Dude, you look bad because you ignore facts.

And,to accept and argue within established facts should be a bastion and foundation of conservative principles. To call folks liberals and commies because they feel constrained to deal with the reality of proven facts is a character flaw of yours, not those you lamely attack, without any substantive basis whatsoever.

fuggin' commies

This man, I'd trust.

Your silliness cracks me up.

Shouldn't you be thinking of some clich�s to back up your arguments supporting 3rd party votes in the general election?

Spare me your replies. I don't have time for selfish idiots looking for approval amongst their .05%ers.