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Originally Posted by bigblock455
Every man has to know his limitations.


That's the great thing about the internet, there are none.



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yeah you've shown that laugh

Now go kill an elk with your limited bullet.

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That's funny. I believe I will kill an elk, like I do most years. When it comes down to it, the bullet I choose will be one of the least important factors weighing on success.

You do what you do best, and keep talking about the relative merits of different bullets like Thors and Powerbelts, none of which you've shot at an elk, much less killed one with.

I guess that don't matter though, anything's possible on the internet. Where talk is just as good as results, for some.



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try the 338gr platinum this year, Ive had a members friend shoot an elk 3 times with one and he said they did not expand at all. I think he used 90gr or 100gr T7.

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You sure are quick on the reply button. For someone who can't sit on the computer all day.

I guess that just applies when you've got some cipherin' to do, LOL.



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time to relax now. A long day of setting up poly pipe, sprinklers and tree trimming.

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Yep, cipherin' is hard work, it'll plum wear you out.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
If you think there's no difference in a sabot and a round ball at 200 yards, find a good aerodynamic sabot, and run the numbers on drop and wind drift at 200 yards.

Then there's this, that you quoted from the CO regs yesterday:

Originally Posted by Hydrashocker

l. Sabots are prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Cloth patches are not sabots.


LOL, That was the regulation, not my interpretation. If you look carefully I said "so to me" ya know, my opinion? I know there's a technical difference but I was just stating that IMHO they complete the same task during their operation, that's all.

I'm not going to take a 200 yard "chance" unless it's one giant beast that I can't stalk, I'm sure of my load, and very sure of my aim. If it can't be humanely harvested what's the point ya know? Besides, I didn't even put in for a ML hunt this year, I put in under Centerfire because of the Youth hunts for my boys. I just plan on using my ML's complete with sabot and scope unless I by my son a new rifle then I'll break out my big gun.


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Did CO abandon that silly limit on bullet length?


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Yup.



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Glad they did. Now I don't have to cut the tip off my FPBs!


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I've asked for Colorado's actual regulations but haven't heard back yet. They told me that "Law Enforcement department have guidelines defining sabots and different variations thereof". So what I asked for is all of their information and regulations concerning projectiles during Muzzleloader hunts. If I don't hear anything I will complete a freedom of information act request form but I hope I don't have to do that.


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They'll either make a ruling on it or they won't. If they don't, then I'd assume the new bullets are legal.



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Just curious has anybody heard or has Colorado made a ruling on the use of this new Federal Muzzy bullet?


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Nope, and I have asked twice.I just emailed Feeral to see if they have heard anything

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I just followed the link to the Federal site and took a close look at this thing. Logically, if the polymer base cup takes the rifling, it's acting like a sabot, and that's how the F&G people will see it.

Actually, I suspect they're going to call it a sabot regardless, just in case.

It looks interesting, if a little complicated. They mention its high B.C. Anybody see an actual figure?


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Believe it or not, just got my answer today,and they say it is legal! Here is the email from the DOW:

the verdict is in, The Regulation Review Managers and the Leadership Team have reviewed the new Federal B.O.R. Lock MZ system bullet and have determined that bullet would be a legal bullet to use in a muzzleloader during the Colorado muzzleloading seasons.
In regards to the See All Sight for a muzzleloader it has been determined that this is not an open or iron sight and therefore it would be illegal to use during the muzzleloading season in Colorado but could be used on a muzzleloader during "any rifle or other associated methods" season for big game


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Well the See All was a question I asked and never got a reply...Nice folks over there! :P

I'm all in, can't wait to get some in the mail.


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