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I have been an NRA member since 1981 and am thinking of not renewing my membership with them in a few months. I am also a member of GOA (Gun owners of America).

First the NRA did not support the select-fire owners in the 1987 gun ban of more machine gun receiver registrations, and now when people of Texas want to be able to carry a rifle or a holstered handgun in public they call us "Weird" and "Scary". It is legal in 26 other states, why not Texas?

Currently I have a concealed handgun permit and carry a loaded revolver into many of these business locations who got upset, of course I no longer will do business with them.

How has it been working in the other 26 states that allow their citizens the right to carry openly? There has been no problem in Switzerland or Israel where lots of people bring in SIGs or AR-15's into coffee shops. Anyone else thinking of not renewing with the NRA?


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Flaunting of a right and privilege to make a point only gives ammo to the other side as it accomplishes zilch in the long run IMO.The democraps will prosecute this with a vengeance.


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Flaunting of a right and privilege to make a point only gives ammo to the other side as it accomplishes zilch in the long run IMO.


Having a legal right to do something does not mean that you have to do it. If they are scared of something, that is one thing, as is, if they were walking down the road and needed to eat. I could see them bringing their rifle into an establishment, but driving up and getting your rifle out of the car and bringing it in, without the fear factor is stupid. miles


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As an educated person in rhetoric, I know of many ways to communicate without using offensive terms. The proper way for the NRA to have responded to this would have been to use other options, such as, "we feel there are other ways in dealing with this, such as in the state capital, etc", or not to say anything at all.

That is why I checked my expiration date on my NRA membership this morning as the future of receiving my monthly issue of American Rifleman may be no longer be happening after Feb. 2015.

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Well in CA, you could carry a weapon in the open as long as it wasn't loaded. So what happened, these nut cases flaunted the law and started carrying pistols all over the place. You don't have to guess what happened next. New law forbidding it. Now as to other NRA stuff, for resigning with them they send me a pocket knife made in China which really Pi--ed me off and I let them know it. The other problem I have (and I have been a member for over 50 years) is Wayne LaPierre with perks pulling down a million bucks a year. That's a lot of membership monies. Just to keep the record straight, I belong to three other gun organizations fighting the libs so I think I have the right to express my views and in some cases displeasure.

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The issue isn't simply open carry. The issue is using stupid tactics which may actually backfire and jeopardize passage of open carry laws.

I don't mind the NRA calling people out on it. Of course, they could have simply said, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes," and I suspect the majority of Texans would agree.


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The NRA has its issues, but is still the best lobby we have for our 2nd Amendment. I'm an Endowment Member, Life Member since I was a teen. I saved up $100 in the 60's for a Life Membership.

I don't always agree with them and their bureacuracy, but realize running a big organization like that can't be easy. A few of the Board Members have been a tad goofy.

I still don't know why I get stuff from NRA Hdq. to join when I've been a member for over 50 years. Don't they have a computerized record of members?

Still, the NRA is an important part of our common defense against libs who would enslave us.

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Originally Posted by HE112
As an educated person in rhetoric, I know of many ways to communicate without using offensive terms. The proper way for the NRA to have responded to this would have been to use other options, such as, "we feel there are other ways in dealing with this, such as in the state capital, etc", or not to say anything at all.

That is why I checked my expiration date on my NRA membership this morning as the future of receiving my monthly issue of American Rifleman may be no longer be happening after Feb. 2015.


Educated in rhetoric? You might want to trade some in for some common sense. This was a poorly hatched stunt that gained nothing but bad press and emboldened enemies.

Please don't feel compelled to wait until February, turn your card in and cancel your magazine subscription now. We'll miss you.


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I agree with Dirtfarmer,they have some faults, but they have killed a lot of crap that would have become law.
I have been a member for 55 years and hope to be for many more.
The only thing I would say is this "In Your Face" stuff will win you no friends, but may foster resentment.
Sure, I can go into my local restaurant with my AR-15 slung over my shoulder, but that does not show respect to the other customers.
When I go anywhere carrying, its concealed even though I live in an "Open Carry" State.

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Originally Posted by lugerman
I agree with Dirtfarmer,they have some faults, but they have killed a lot of crap that would have become law.
I have been a member for 55 years and hope to be for many more.
The only thing I would say is this "In Your Face" stuff will win you no friends, but may foster resentment.
Sure, I can go into my local restaurant with my AR-15 slung over my shoulder, but that does not show respect to the other customers.
When I go anywhere carrying, its concealed even though I live in an "Open Carry" State.

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I agree.


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Originally Posted by lugerman
I agree with Dirtfarmer,they have some faults, but they have killed a lot of crap that would have become law.
I have been a member for 55 years and hope to be for many more.
The only thing I would say is this "In Your Face" stuff will win you no friends, but may foster resentment.
Sure, I can go into my local restaurant with my AR-15 slung over my shoulder, but that does not show respect to the other customers.
When I go anywhere carrying, its concealed even though I live in an "Open Carry" State.

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Right on.....Just remember... Those who want to take your guns have no intention whatsoever of giving up theirs.

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Originally Posted by Kentucky_Windage
The issue isn't simply open carry. The issue is using stupid tactics which may actually backfire and jeopardize passage of open carry laws.

I don't mind the NRA calling people out on it. Of course, they could have simply said, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes," and I suspect the majority of Texans would agree.


Agreed. And I also believe that most of my fellow Texans would agree. And if Texas does pass open carry for handguns in the future, I will still prefer Concealed Carry.


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I'm an NRA and TSRA lifer.

The open carry jackarses are helping no one but the enemy. Wanna be mad at someone? be mad at them.

every time I see the Open Carry folks on TV, I just ask myself what motivates them? I mean.... what does "success" look like to them? how do they know they won? what is their objective, if it isnt to polarize the mainstream, and generate enemies when they didnt have one before?


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Originally Posted by Billy_Goat
I'm an NRA and TSRA lifer.

The open carry jackarses are helping no one but the enemy. Wanna be mad at someone? be mad at them.

every time I see the Open Carry folks on TV, I just ask myself what motivates them? I mean.... what does "success" look like to them? how do they know they won? what is their objective, if it isnt to polarize the mainstream, and generate enemies when they didnt have one before?

Flaunting weapons just because one can doesn't mean one should. To inflame the anti's just plays into the hands of the Left. When 2nd Ammendment advocates push privilege just to "stuff it" up the noses of apponents, who wins? We should be less interested in winning a few ostentatious skirmishes and more interested in winning the war, the war for the hearts and favor of our countrymen.

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Did I kill the discussion, or does everyone agree... grin

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by Billy_Goat
I'm an NRA and TSRA lifer.

The open carry jackarses are helping no one but the enemy. Wanna be mad at someone? be mad at them.

every time I see the Open Carry folks on TV, I just ask myself what motivates them? I mean.... what does "success" look like to them? how do they know they won? what is their objective, if it isnt to polarize the mainstream, and generate enemies when they didnt have one before?

Flaunting weapons just because one can doesn't mean one should. To inflame the anti's just plays into the hands of the Left. When 2nd Ammendment advocates push privilege just to "stuff it" up the noses of apponents, who wins? We should be less interested in winning a few ostentatious skirmishes and more interested in winning the war, the war for the hearts and favor of our countrymen.

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Good post.


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Originally Posted by HE112
First the NRA did not support the select-fire owners in the 1987 gun ban of more machine gun receiver registrations...
Add "educated person in ignorance" to your plethora of "qualifications." The Firearm Owners' Protection Act went into effect in May 1986. It focused on machine guns, not simply "select-fire owners." (FYI, "select-fire" weapons are capable of semi automatic AND fully automatic modes of fire. Your knothead statement seems to infer that weapons capable of fully automatic firing only were somehow exempted.)

While the FOPA did, in fact, prohibit manufacture of machine guns after 5-19-86 for civilian consumption, it also repealed and modified several sections of the '68 GCA. It eliminated the record keeping requirement on handgun ammunition/reloading supplies sales. It permitted the mail order sales of ammunition and reloading supplies. It permitted the interstate in-person sale of long guns to residents of different states. (The '68 GCA restricted this to states contiguous to the state of residence of the purchaser.) The FOPA also provided protection for the interstate transport of firearms for all lawful purposes.

In short, you're a dunce.


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Put a shirt over your gun. People open carrying are just saying "shoot me first" or they are try to make the point " this is legal and I don't give a damn what you think" . That is not a smart way to protect our rights IMO.

A rancher walking into a country store with a gun on his hip is one thing but walking into a supermarket full of soccer moms with a gun exposed is just stupid.

Just conceal the thing.


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Perps don't know who's packing and who's not. That's the beauty of CCW. The element of tactical surprise is lost by brandishing weapons in open carry.

An aggressor seeing muzzle flash is a surprised sucker... shocked

Best he be the sucker than the honest citizen who's done way too much "advertising"... blush

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