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Said comments WERE NOT pointed at you. Not suggesting you did any such thing...... Ok. Fair enough. Why do I think a Tikka cost ~$100 to $150 more than a Ruger American equipped roughly in a similar fashion? Simple, really. It's all about market and perception. The Tikka rifles have a pretty darn good perceived value which is what determines what price the market will bear. If a potential buyer has the perception that he can buy a Tikka off the shelf, take it home and mount a scope, bore sight it, take it to the range and shoot 1" groups with most of what he decides to run through it, he has no problem laying down his hard-earned cash. Beretta prices their rifle to what the market bears. Simple economics, really. Has little to do with cost to manufacture.
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Well I have two Tikka's, Mount scope go out and shoot just about anything into under an inch at 100 yards. Have Winchesters, Remingtons, etc, THEY DO NOT DO THAT, without work. Can they, yes. Triggers, yep with work and money. Have found loads they like, but.. Never have had anything break, fall off, miss a animal, or any problem with a Tikka. Are they plastic, made to a price, yes. But DAMN they do work. Perhaps The Ruger American is a good one, but I do not have one yet. I really doubt that it can be better however.. At it's price point perhaps, again plastic made to a price point. As a betting man I would take my Tikka against just about any hunting rifle at 100 yards. I bought mine when they were just around what the Ruger American costs now. YMMV Pretty bold statement, but I respect the confidence you have in your rifle. That kind of confidence puts a lot of meat in the freezer, I'm sure. My rifles all shoot well and I guess I could offer up a bet of the same nature, but won't since I've shot competition and have had my azz handed to me by a guy using a cheap as hell stevens 200. Price point doesn't always guarantee sub moa groups and as we are all aware of, the stevens 200, Ruger American, Savage, and Marlin X, can all shoot well right out of the box. I don't have a problem with any of these rifles or the guys using them. As they say: "To each their own". I will say this: I remember when the Tikka was very affordable when they first came out and now it's priced way up there, so it probably shouldn't be in the same category from a price standpoint as these rifles. Even though it should be, based on concept/design...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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this chit is so funny to me
if you're happy with your purchases you've scored the brass ring
you start worrying about making other folks happy with what you buy and use, you're settin yourself up for a lot of frustration.
don't care if you like my rifles, my wife or my life
they all be mine and only have to suit me
you only got to make yourself happy
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Well I have two Tikka's, Mount scope go out and shoot just about anything into under an inch at 100 yards. Have Winchesters, Remingtons, etc, THEY DO NOT DO THAT, without work. Can they, yes. Triggers, yep with work and money. Have found loads they like, but.. Never have had anything break, fall off, miss a animal, or any problem with a Tikka. Are they plastic, made to a price, yes. But DAMN they do work. Perhaps The Ruger American is a good one, but I do not have one yet. I really doubt that it can be better however.. At it's price point perhaps, again plastic made to a price point. As a betting man I would take my Tikka against just about any hunting rifle at 100 yards. I bought mine when they were just around what the Ruger American costs now. YMMV Pretty bold statement, but I respect the confidence you have in your rifle. That kind of confidence puts a lot of meat in the freezer, I'm sure. My rifles all shoot well and I guess I could offer up a bet of the same nature, but won't since I've shot competition and have had my azz handed to me by a guy using a cheap as hell stevens 200. Price point doesn't always guarantee sub moa groups and as we are all aware of, the stevens 200, Ruger American, Savage, and Marlin X, can all shoot well right out of the box. I don't have a problem with any of these rifles or the guys using them. As they say: "To each their own". I will say this: I remember when the Tikka was very affordable when they first came out and now it's priced way up there, so it probably shouldn't be in the same category from a price standpoint as these rifles. Even though it should be, based on concept/design... Well said. The only fun rifles are the accurate ones, regardless of price. The two Tikkas I own are not necessarily the most accurate I own, though the 260 is petty dang close. In my experience, the Savage products are darn accurate, but the prices have risen to a point that I will not buy another. I'm down to one. Rifles like the RAR may put a hurt on Savage since they were competing on price across the board in their product line in the past. They may price themselves out if they are not careful. Heck, Tikka/Beretta could as well if they continue raising prices.
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this chit is so funny to me
if you're happy with your purchases you've scored the brass ring
you start worrying about making other folks happy with what you buy and use, you're settin yourself up for a lot of frustration.
don't care if you like my rifles, my wife or my life
they all be mine and only have to suit me
you only got to make yourself happy Absolutley true and I agree 100%. But this is the internet and we need entertainment  I REALLY don't want to sound like a braggart. I'm humble and have worked hard for everything I own, and nobody on the planet appreciates same as much as me. Nobody. I don't know what a 40 hr. work week is/feels like. But I have owned SO many GD rifles that if I cried every time someone criticized/critiqued one, I'd be doing a LOT of crying. My feelers don't get hurt over rifles, but some cannot discern the difference over calling a rifle a POS, and saying same of a person, unfortunately. Personal $hit interests me not. If you wanna talk $hit about rifles, bring something to the table or STFU....
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Well I have two Tikka's, Mount scope go out and shoot just about anything into under an inch at 100 yards. Have Winchesters, Remingtons, etc, THEY DO NOT DO THAT, without work. Can they, yes. Triggers, yep with work and money. Have found loads they like, but.. Never have had anything break, fall off, miss a animal, or any problem with a Tikka. Are they plastic, made to a price, yes. But DAMN they do work. Perhaps The Ruger American is a good one, but I do not have one yet. I really doubt that it can be better however.. At it's price point perhaps, again plastic made to a price point. As a betting man I would take my Tikka against just about any hunting rifle at 100 yards. I bought mine when they were just around what the Ruger American costs now. YMMV Pretty bold statement, but I respect the confidence you have in your rifle. That kind of confidence puts a lot of meat in the freezer, I'm sure. My rifles all shoot well and I guess I could offer up a bet of the same nature, but won't since I've shot competition and have had my azz handed to me by a guy using a cheap as hell stevens 200. Price point doesn't always guarantee sub moa groups and as we are all aware of, the stevens 200, Ruger American, Savage, and Marlin X, can all shoot well right out of the box. I don't have a problem with any of these rifles or the guys using them. As they say: "To each their own". I will say this: I remember when the Tikka was very affordable when they first came out and now it's priced way up there, so it probably shouldn't be in the same category from a price standpoint as these rifles. Even though it should be, based on concept/design... Exactly.........
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I'd say the Sako name lends more to the Tikka than it's design/value.........
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Wow! Sure am glad there are other folks to take 2muchguns focus off of me.
Just wait until he figures out the Ruger has a Tupperware stock. Nobody will be allowed to ever say anything positive about a Ruger ever again without taking a serious brow beating.
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Is it actually possible for you to read something and interpret it correctly in the given context?
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Wow! Sure am glad there are other folks to take 2muchguns focus off of me.
Shod Wow! Sounds like you are jealous, Princess. Otherwise, you wouldn't have purposefully drawn attention to yourself.......
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I notice your screen name reads "Shodd".
Yet your signature reads "Shod". You can't even spell your own fu**ing name right, dumba$$.........
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I notice your screen name reads "Shodd".
Yet your signature reads "Shod". You can't even spell your own fu**ing name right, dumba$$......... Thanks for pointing that out.  Shod
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I notice your screen name reads "Shodd".
Yet your signature reads "Shod". You can't even spell your own fu**ing name right, dumba$$......... Thanks for pointing that out. Shod Much obliged in helping your kind out with ANY of life's little difficulties you may incur...
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snip.....
"Tikkas are the perfect rifle for those who know not of rifles. "
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I often choose Tikka. I also have a very extensive background working on .gov/.mil weapons systems, including weeks and weeks of periodic training at various defense manufacturers facilities, not to mention being in charge of some very extensive armories. Plus, as both a designated defensive marksman, as well as an M24 (remington factory trained) armorer, I might have the practical experience on both sides of the armory bench to completely disagree with your post. But opinions and experiences vary. The punchline is that I would take a box stock Tikka over a box stock Remington 700 pretty much every time. Happy hunting! Cheers!
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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MS, I agree on T3 vs 700, even like an S2 vs 700 in OEM.
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Mr. 2muchgun says: ......My feelers don't get hurt over rifles, but some cannot discern the difference over calling a rifle a POS, and saying same of a person, unfortunately. Personal $hit interests me not. If you wanna talk $hit about rifles, bring something to the table or STFU.... Then he follows it up with these obviously non-personal comments to Shod: Is it actually possible for you to read something and interpret it correctly in the given context? And: Wow! Sounds like you are jealous, Princess. Otherwise, you wouldn't have purposefully drawn attention to yourself....... And: I notice your screen name reads "Shodd".
Yet your signature reads "Shod". You can't even spell your own fu**ing name right, dumba$$......... But, again: ���some cannot discern the difference over calling a rifle a POS, and saying same of a person, unfortunately. That definitely makes me believe that Mr. 2muchgun is someone I�d like to meet in the near future so I can improve my personal life in ways that I'm sure I'm not smart enough to understand until he educates me.
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I wish my Tikka didn't shoot so well. I bought it on a whim, and it has literally out shot every gun I have ever owned, including a few customs.
Haven't tried a Ruger American yet, but I didn't care for the bendy stock when I handled one in the store. If they come out with some aftermarket stocks, then I will probably try one.
I have never been one to be fashionable though. If it feels good and shoots then I don't care what others say.
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I know this is an old thread, but just for interest sake. I can buy the RAR and have a local company make a glass fiber stock of my choice (any shape I would like, as they do not have to put out nearly as many stocks as the US stock makers). The rifle and custom stock would still cost less than what a Tikka would set me back. If I do not go with a custom stock I would be able to re-barrel the RAR when shot out and still save money Not saying the T3 is bad for one moment (as I recommend them to guys that wants something to shoot straight right out of the box) but for me the RAR would be the better choice. Pieter
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I had formulated several different plans on how I was goint to stiffen/strengthen the stock on my RAR. I realize now that the flexiness of the stock doesn't affect the way it shoots - field positions w/ and w/o a strap, bench, bipod, it shoots to the same POI. I no longer care about the stock being flexy....
I did have to clean up the barrel channel a little bit, it was touching on one side.
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