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Thinking about building one of these as a hunting rifle with a Stiller action in the BDL configuration. I know very little about these two other than what I've read. Does one have any distinct advantages/disadvantages? Is it difficult to get the 6.5-284 to feed well from a BDL magazine?
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6.5X284 in a long action has better bullet seating options for long bullets. In a hunting rifle I don't see much of a difference than that. You can buy properly head stamped brass for either one. IDK on the feeding, but I can't imagine you'll have too much if any that your smith can't fix.
If I build one it'll be a 6.5-06 just because I already own the dies. I had the 6.5-06 on a Husky action I picked up at a gun show with the dies. Too much bark and not enough velocity out of a 19.5" barrel for me, took the barrel off the rifle and got rid of it.
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My buddy just had a 6.5x284 built on a 700 LA, #3 SS Shilen, ADL bottom, dropped into a T.i takeoff. It feeds flawlessly from the magazine and it's a slick rifle, for sure.
I don't really see too much of a difference either way you slice it. Being able to buy Lapua brass for the x284 is a huge upside, though.
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I would go 6.5-284, but for a hunting rifle, a 284 as is - is nothing to sneeze at, ESP if in a LA, but then that begs why not a 280 or even 7RM.
Pick your poison, use good bullets, they will all serve you well. Good luck w build - or You could just buy a Tikka 270 or 7RM.....
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These two should be equal in most all ways, I believe JB has experience with two rifles built exactly the same configuration from the ground up and said the same thing. 6.5-284 has ready made brass from a lot of companies where a 6.5-06 can be made from any good .270 of 25-06 brass easily. Kinda of a draw!!! Keep us posted.
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Being able to buy Lapua brass for the x284 is a huge upside, though.
One could use Lapua 30-06 brass for the 6.5-06. It's actually cheaper than Lapua 6.5-284.
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6.5-284...they feed fine....
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I'd have to vote 6.5-284 and on a LA. This one is a blueprinted pre-64 M-70 with Bordens bumps, 26" Krieger in a laminated Boyd stock, pillared, glassed, free floated and torqued. It has a Jewell trigger. It's a half MOA rifle with 140 VLD's at 3K with low SD's. 48.8 gr. RL-17 is the fastest accurate load I've tried. Scope is a Z5 3.5-18x44 BT with Outdoorsmans turret, set up for this load. An action needs to be tweaked for the fatter round to feed slick. It would probably be less trouble to do the 6.5-06 and I don't think the performnace, given the same quality of components, would be different. I know the theoretical differences, but don't think you'll see much of that, chasing game. IIRC, with JB's pair of similar rifles, a 6.5-284 and a 6.5-06, the '06 version actually shot slightly better. DF
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Being able to buy Lapua brass for the x284 is a huge upside, though.
One could use Lapua 30-06 brass for the 6.5-06. It's actually cheaper than Lapua 6.5-284. Do you think necking down from a .30 to 6.5 would necessitate neck turning? I knew Lapua made '06 brass but didn't really consider necking it down that much to be a great idea, however, I could be totally wrong. Tanner
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I think the 6.5-284 shot better in the review, based on a statistically insignificant sample of one. Article: http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/e.r.shaw-mk-vii-6.5-284-review-1.phpIn the article John Barsness mentions: "The 6.5/284 turned out to be more consistently accurate than my 6.5-06. The best loads from the two rifles shot about the same, with five shots in 1/2" or so at 100 yards, but the 6.5/284 shot very well with bullets weighing from 95 to 140 grains, while the 6.5-06 shot noticeably better as bullets got heavier. Why this should be so I don�t know, since both barrels have the same contour and the same rifling twist. (Maybe there is some magic in the shorter powder column of the .284 case.)"
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Never had a problem with my long action 6.5-284 feeding. But the loony in me is saying go 6.5-06 ackley
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I think the 6.5-284 shot better in the review, based on a statistically insignificant sample of one. Article:I http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/e.r.shaw-mk-vii-6.5-284-review-1.phpIn the article John Barsness mentions: "The 6.5/284 turned out to be more consistently accurate than my 6.5-06. The best loads from the two rifles shot about the same, with five shots in 1/2" or so at 100 yards, but the 6.5/284 shot very well with bullets weighing from 95 to 140 grains, while the 6.5-06 shot noticeably better as bullets got heavier. Why this should be so I don�t know, since both barrels have the same contour and the same rifling twist. (Maybe there is some magic in the shorter powder column of the .284 case.)" Guess my IIRC wasn't working... I'll take a "senior pass" on that one.... Thanks for the info. DF
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Being able to buy Lapua brass for the x284 is a huge upside, though.
One could use Lapua 30-06 brass for the 6.5-06. It's actually cheaper than Lapua 6.5-284. Do you think necking down from a .30 to 6.5 would necessitate neck turning? I knew Lapua made '06 brass but didn't really consider necking it down that much to be a great idea, however, I could be totally wrong. Tanner I wouldn't worry about it. Even if the brass did need turned or reamed, it's a one time thing. No biggee. Personally if choosing between the two I would probably go with the 6.5-284 anyway, so there wouldn't any chance of mixing up brass with the 270s and 25-06s in the house.
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I think the 6.5-284 shot better in the review, based on a statistically insignificant sample of one. Article:I http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/e.r.shaw-mk-vii-6.5-284-review-1.phpIn the article John Barsness mentions: "The 6.5/284 turned out to be more consistently accurate than my 6.5-06. The best loads from the two rifles shot about the same, with five shots in 1/2" or so at 100 yards, but the 6.5/284 shot very well with bullets weighing from 95 to 140 grains, while the 6.5-06 shot noticeably better as bullets got heavier. Why this should be so I don�t know, since both barrels have the same contour and the same rifling twist. (Maybe there is some magic in the shorter powder column of the .284 case.)" Guess my IIRC wasn't working... I'll take a "senior pass" on that one.... Thanks for the info. DF Hey, I find I sometimes forget actually important things! I turn 36 this year, and I have a difficult time remembering my zip code at the gas station. I have had to call my wife and ask her what it is before pumping gas. And of course we move again this summer. My boy will have lived in 5 different places (Omaha, Las Vegas, Louisiana, Kansas, Washington D.C.) before he turns 7. Wouldn't trade getting out of the USAF to move less, though.
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Joel on pm me. Need to connect before you move - I finish my MBA in two weeks.
What JB said re short powder column may hold more relevance in this small bore. My 338-06 OTOH shot well w any bullet tried. Easier to burn powder in a larger bore IMO, consistently - all else equal.
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went with the 6.5-284 for the head-stamped brass and one less case forming operation
capacity is nearly the same
looks like 3" oal for the 129 Nosler LRAB
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when it was hunting I ran the 284 desiring a 7 mm bullet instead of 6.5 but it really doesn't matter....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Joel,
You shouldn't start having memory problems until you reach 50. Mine, along w/my eyesight, have gotten noticeably worse in the past 3 years.
Enjoy your time in the Air Force. I spent 20 years in the Navy, couldn't wait to "retire", and have many times since wished I were still in. I miss the people the most!
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I'm thinking-------______------
Take a Nosler 280 AI case neck it down to 6.5 and roll with it.
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I shot the 6.5x284 Norma (COAL 3.228") on a long action only shot the 140gr bullets. I never considered the 6.5x06 so never did any research.
I'm now shooting 284 on a long action it's one of my hunting rifles shooting 160gr AB and shot few of the Berger hunting VLD 168gr.
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I'm putting together a 6.5-06 right now - Never run either so we'll see how it goes -
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Just tried out a load Mule Deer had good luck with yesterday. 56 grains of H1000 and a 140 berger was good for 2925 fps out of a 24.5" barrel. .5 moa. Killed a lot of stuff with that bullet. Good luck on your build.
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As a hunting rifle I would choose the 284 version. Available Lapua brass -- load and go, along with factory ammo available in a pinch seals the deal for me.
As a looney the 06 version is very tempting.
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I went 06 and don't have any complaints. 270 brass is so easy to find.
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I wouldn't think there would be much difference in performance. I have a 6.5X06 that was just a deal as it came with dies, brass, a custom barrel, custom trigger etc. I've been using the 125 Partition and it has 2-whitetails to it's credit. I might switch to a 140 next year and see if there's less meat damage. Both deer dropped in their tracks. I made up the brass from various .30-06 (including some L.C. 68 stuff) and no neck turning required. I have also used .25-06 & .270 with no problems. Seems the .30-06 got a little shorter? 1/2" to 1" groups. I like it as brass is so easy to come by. Just my 2�.
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I have done both and they are both good. I feel that it is easier to get the 6.5-284 to shoot good myself. It is a very forgiving round. You can do it on a short action if it is one of the ones that will take 3" shells. The -06 version is long action only. Both feed fine. IF I were to do another -06 it would be the imp version. My COL is somewhere around 3.15" on my main hunting load. The one advantage that hasn't been discussed is that R17 works really good in the -284 case and has been ho-hum in the -06. I can get about 75 fps more velocity out of the 284 because of this. Pretty much the only powder I use in mine.
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I'm thinking-------______------
Take a Nosler 280 AI case neck it down to 6.5 and roll with it. I like that idea.
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