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In fairness, the 110 VMax wouldn't be my choice for deep penetration.

Something along the lines of a 168-180 gr BTip, at 1700-1800 fps would probably dig deep, but not have as much tissue damage as a 110gr VMax.

I think there is still a lot to learn about using the 300 BO on deer, regarding bullet choice, velocity, terminal ballistics, and the faster twist rate.

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Originally Posted by southarkrob
I see a big need for the Bkout/Whisper in supersonic form.. it has very little muzzleblast and recoil. That translates into an awesome kid deer rifle. In my neck of the woods a lot of people set their kids up with either a .223 or a .243 as their first deer rifle. I do my best to try and sway them the other way.. every time a youngster shows up at my farm with a .223 I know if they shoot..we are in for a long track job. The last one took an hour and a half with a behind the shoulder shot on a big doe.


X39 filled that niche easily for lots of kids around here. AND plinking ammo was cheap....

No way I'd go whisper just for that use, well if I wanted a can on it yes.

If you have to track with a 223 you better rethink bullet choice or shot location. Same with 243. I've had more bang flops with 243 than with ANY other round, including a lot of mags and even ran light and fast in some of them to see if it mattered.

Hour and a half to find a deer means shot location was behind the shoudler, but how far... or piss poor bullet choice.



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A .243", 95 grain Ballistic Tip went right through a 300 pound hog I hit amidships. I'm not worried about lining up on a big doe with one.

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The doe was shot with a 60 Gr Partition and was hit behind the shoulder.. not much blood and we have clear cuts that at nite are a wooley booger to find a deer or hog in. I have killed a ton of deer in my life.. not an expert.. but have never witnessed a bang flop with a .223 or a .243.. and I have loaded everything from .85gr Sierra up to 100gr Partitions.

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Behind the shoulder bang flops are hard to guarantee. A few 300 mag shooters on my lease will attest to that.

High shoulders and clip the spine, then a 243 has plenty of bang flop power.

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Originally Posted by mathman


High shoulders and clip the spine, then a 243 has plenty of bang flop power.


Especially with a Berger VLD. Between the spine and all of those large vessels (Vena Cava, Descending Aorta) when that Berger grenades it'll git 'er done.

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243 with 80 grain soft point WW ammo would flop em no where near the spine.

I got chewed out if I got close to the spine as a bit more and I"d ruin meat... same with shoulders.

Not saying that all agree with that, but its how I was taught. 243 and 6mm accounted for untold deer from 3-4th grade onward for me... at least 3-5 a year..

the 300 was no better and actually a worse killer in some ways.

But I shoot 308 a LOT nowdays. I like what it has to offer. But the 257 wtby is getting a 2nd look due to some unknown bullet issues with the 308 the last 2 years that I finally got figured out...

300 whisper will be the ticket this fall, excepting probably have the 257 along if I find have to make shots over 150 yards...


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My camp mate's 257 Weatherby loaded with 100 grain Interlocks is the closest thing to a bang flop machine on our lease. The deer that have gone anywhere but straight down were shot on the move and their forward momentum carried them a few feet.

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Run 100 ttsx in ours. Have yet to see a bang flop that wasn't related to a quick shot, generally on the other side of 300 yards and made a mistake and clipped the spine on 2 different deer.

But they don't go maybe 20-30 yards or so usually. Not hard to find typically. I think the fartherest I"ve seen one go has been around 70.

Bang flops are a result of shot placement typically, but fast rounds can do it even if not on the CNS but fairly close.


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The .270, as much as folks bash it, has always given bang flops for me. That said, when stand hunting, I've noticed when I shoot something with a .300 Savage or smaller, deer will show up again after a relatively short period of time. Light off 60 grains of powder (especially out of a 22" barrel) and you may not see a another deer for a day or two. YMMV, of course.


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bang flops are almost always a result of shot placement.


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Originally Posted by rost495
bang flops are almost always a result of shot placement.


I agree mostly with that statement. The only thing that makes me disagree with it to some extent was a long streak I had with the 150NBT at 3125fps from a 7RM. Killed a pile of critters with that combo and it was lights out on rib hits. Granted they were toast inside, so I felt there was enough trauma to disrupt the CNS. We all have our own experiences to go on and that just happened to be the death ray type combo for me after hundreds of kills with various carts/pills. Even after a bit of a wildcat hiatous and all sorts of wiz bang mags, there's just something about that old combo I can't seem to replicate often. YMMV

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Originally Posted by southarkrob
every time a youngster shows up at my farm with a .223 I know if they shoot..we are in for a long track job. The last one took an hour and a half with a behind the shoulder shot on a big doe.


Sounds like FMJs possibly.


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