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10 or 11 ounces loaded it the threshold for me.



Easy to say when your 10 Oz. 380 develops 500 foot pounds of energy. smile


Highly doubtful.


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10 or 11 ounces loaded it the threshold for me.



Easy to say when your 10 Oz. 380 develops 500 foot pounds of energy. smile


Highly doubtful.


Five hundred foot pounds was Just my hyperbole - though it could be true.
Maybe your best "pocket 9" is a hot loaded 380?


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Originally Posted by night_owl
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10 or 11 ounces loaded it the threshold for me.



Easy to say when your 10 Oz. 380 develops 500 foot pounds of energy. smile


Highly doubtful.


Five hundred foot pounds was Just my hyperbole - though it could be true.
Maybe your best "pocket 9" is a hot loaded 380?



Gotcha. I doubt any of them will weigh 11 oz, though.

I could see a hot .357 snub-nose maybe making 500 ft.lbs, but WOW would that be a handful.


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380 Kel-tecs and Rugers are probably close to 11 oz. loaded.
Factory ammo 380 ammo making ~300 ft. lbs. is on the market.
For pocket carry it's the best there is.





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5-14-05 data: P3AT .380, 2.76" barrel, 90 gr. Speer Gold Dot bullet, 6.2 gr. Power Pistol, .970", [27kpsi QL] some cases get guppy belly bulge, mixed used brass, 1095, 1115, 1098, 1054, 1093 fps = 1091 average

1091 fps 90 gr = 238 foot pounds

6.2 gr Power Pistol is not finding the threshold a case bulets in a super light 380 and backing off 4%.
It is instead tolerating some case bulge. This is nothing I could let anyone else shoot if I don't know their case support.

Buffalo Bore claims 1100 fps for 380 90 gr +P from these short barrels, but I am told it chronos at 1050 fps.

I have tested a half dozen 380s and worked them up to failure.
I would put them in 3 categories:
1) Lightweight 380s; Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P3AT, 71% more powder than max published due to feed ramp intrusion to .270", thin chamber walls, lightweight slide, and weak recoil springs.
2) Medium 380s; Kahr, Bryco, 119% extra powder
3) Heavyweight 380s; Colt 1903, Beretta 1934, 209% extra powder. 1187 fps with 158 gr [better than a 357 mag with that barrel length]


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Clark, thanks for the detailed info - I stand corrected.



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Smith whore?
The smallest I have found is a 642-2 38sp that is 15 ounces before the ammo.
Too heavy to carry.


I quite literally have never known a non handicapped man who considered an airweight J Frame Centennial .38 snubby "too heavy".

Not a slam.

Just very interesting perspective.

I carry one daily as a second handgun in my left front pocket and usually forget its even on my person, weight wise.


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I'm not a handgun expert but have settled on a S&W J-frame, 3" 357 in a IWB holster carried in the small of my back. It's not a lightweight at 24 oz. I don't find it difficult to shoot well even with 357 loads though I usually carry trail side with 38 Specials. In SA it has a very good trigger.

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The Double Tap in either .45acp or 9mm is an option to consider. At one time I though I wanted one so I tried the .45 I shot three shots and that was enough, the web of my hand was sore for a week.
http://gunblog.com/new-doubletap-pistol
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With the S&W Bodyguard, Ruger LCP, Taurus 738 TCP a trigger job is a must. Of the three the Bodyguard is the only one that comes with a laser sight built in as standard equipmnet.


I disagree about the Taurus TCP. Of any of the pocket 380s it has the best trigger I have felt and I can't see the reason in tinkering with it. Fairly light without being overly so, no stacking and super smooth. I also like the fact that it has the last round hold open and a real slide lock. These pocket 380s are really meant to be last ditch defense tools or "belly" guns so I feel that the need for good triggers on them are somewhat overrated. I still can't stand to shoot a gun with a long, stiff pull though so I went with the TCP for the reasons mentioned and the features. I keep it loaded with Fiocchi Extrema which uses a Hornady XTP bullet.

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Mannlicher mentioned the XDS in 45 and while I enjoy mine for IWB carry most of the time, there is no way I could fit it comfortably in jeans or normal shorts/pants pockets.

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Mannlicher mentioned the XDS in 45 and while I enjoy mine for IWB carry most of the time, there is no way I could fit it comfortably in jeans or normal shorts/pants pockets.



My XDS would fit in my pocket but the ladies would all think I was happy to see them. grin


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