Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Need some new rifle suggestions.

Been looking at getting a new rifle for hunting in general but mainly for deer. I have already purchased a 3-10X50 Meostar for the new setup. Now I have completely confused myself with what rifle to mount it on. Where I live I do not get the opportunity to hold a lot of different brands and models so it will have to be an ordered in rifle more than likely. I was dead set on a Kimber Montana in 7-08 until I read all the accuracy horror stories. I would hate to chance the funds on a rifle that has a history of accuracy issues. If those are a thing of the past then I would lean that route. Really would like to keep the cost around $1k give or take a few hundred and rather have a stainless/synthetic over wood but either is fine. Any suggestions are appreciated.

My choice would be a Winchester M 70 Ultimate Shadow in either .30-06 or .270.

Having done a Kimber and a Weatherby, I think I'd look hard at a Sako M85 Finnlight

Don't be afraid of the Kimber. A little tinkering (if needed) will make them shoot and you will have one of the best handling, best feeling rifles available.

PS. I have had but one rifle in the last 10 years that needed no tinkering; a Cooper 7mm-08. But, they are a little more than you said you wanted to spend.

Cooper Excaliber stainless 7mm-08. I know, just a three shot group, but it does it over, and over, and over. This is with 140 gr. Partitions over RL-15.







Weight is 7 lbs. 2 ozs. with Talley lightweights and an FX II 6x36 on board.

Deer hunting is an awfully broad description of the hunting you intend to do and says nothing about the terrain. Size of deer (100lb or 250 lb) and type of hunting (stand in the woods or hiking above timberline) also would help in getting recommendations that would fit your situation.

Tikka T3 in 300wsm should be great medicine on any deer in any terrain.

I have a Montana 7mm-08. It shoots very well but is more difficult to shoot well than my heavier rifles. It takes better technique and better concentration. If you want light right at $1000, there is no equal to the Montana.

If you want a good rifle still fairly light, the Tikka Superlight sold at Sportsman's Warehouse and Cabelas's is a very good choice.

If you want a good rifle in moderate weight, a model 70 Winchester is a find choice. I would say Rem 700 too but I would rather have an older one than a new one.

If you want a decent rifle at a great price the Ruger American is tops IMHO.

If I wanted assurance of accuracy in the least weight I would save a little more and get the Cooper Excalibur.

Why in the world do you need a 300 wsm to kill a deer?

RH,You can't kill deer too dead..

mk, I am a long time Rem. fan.. But as someone said, I would prefer older 700's. I agree with elkhuntermn. I bought my first model 70 in many years.. After shooting it, I don't see how you could go wrong.. The ONLY thing I have against is the trigger adjustment.. But the fit, finish, and accuracy of the rifle left nothing to be desired.. Go 7mm-08 if your heart is set on it, but again, like elk, I would go 30-06 or .270. If I were buying this afternoon, it would be a .270.. I have all three and killed game with all three. Second would be the 06, and a distant third the 08.

If I were going to buy a new factory sporter in the price range you mentioned, I'd be looking very hard at the Winchester M70 EW in .308.

John

TC Venture 30/06 165 grn.hornady interloc btsp 50gr imr 4064 seated to the cannalure.mine shoots these sub moa out to 500yrds.

What would a Winchester 70 Featherweight Compact in McMillan Edge weigh? I'm thinking that it would come in under six pounds and all told, run about $1,200 or so.

For about 1k I would give this one a try.
http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-a7-big-game-w-roughtech-stock-270-win-26-jrmbg18f.aspx

Average size of deer runs between 165-230lbs. Terrain is both thick and open. This will be a stand rifle but need to be suited for the stalk into the stand as well. A walk up to or over a mile with a treestand and gear on your back weighing close to 30lbs is normal. Most hikes are on average 45min -1hr. Vegetation and terrain is very diverse. One minute you are on flat ground next can be barely making it up the side of a steep ridge. Visible distances can go from not seeing more than 10yds to wide open up to 300yds. If I know the stand setup is relatively thick and the shots are known to be close I carry my brush rifle which is a Rem. 760 in 30-06.

I have been pondering a new Howa Stainless Alpine model mountain rifle, they can be ordered with a Bansner stock installed and a 20" #1 contour barrel available in 7mm/08 or .308 Win..

Also would like to have a new Tikka Stainless Camo rifle.

I trust both of these brands for consistent quality.

Just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. Given your criteria, I would favor staying with 308 and above for that size deer although you could certainly go smaller and I'm sure there will be a hue and cry about shooting deer with tiny bullets but that is just not me. Since you already have an -06 that would be my first choice.
Next would be rifles and again just my $.02 but I favor medium to lightweight bolt action rifles especially when you are packing a lot of stuff so about 8 lbs all up is my limit including sling, scope, mounts, and full mag. The M70 FWT is about as heavy as I would consider and I have one of the newer ones and the fit and finish are very nice. Also have a Kimber and they may need a bit of tweaking but don't be afraid of them.
Don't have any experience with Tikka but they are well regarded. Wouldn't be afraid to look at a used M700 or other brands that you could pick up inexpensively and customize and still stay within your budget.

I was in the same boat as you this past weekend. I really wanted a Kimber Montana in 7mm-08 but was worried about some of the poor accuracy reports I had read. I talked to a few folks on here that have overcome those issues and I'm not worried about the issues anymore. So I ordered one yesterday. The rifle does feel and handle well! Hope it gets here by Friday.

Bob

I can't come up with an argument against that one.

That "brush rifle" is good to your distance of 300 yards +.
But I do understand the "need" for additional guns.

everyone has ideas, there are a lot of fine rifles. i have a savage american classic in 308...kimbers are also great rifles

If I had some fine Czech glass waiting for a home...I'd get a fine Czech rifle...
Make sure you don't overlook the CZ-550...damn fine, extremely accurate rifles.

Personally I have owned a few kimbers and will never pay that much for a gun that patterns like a shotgun.
Not a single one shot well---at all!
My choices based on accuracy would be WBY vanguard, Sako, Tikka, Savage, and CZ 550.

Up the top end weights to 300+ pounds and this takes in a lot of whitetail country I have hunted from New Brunswick and New England to Alberta. In truth it takes in a lot of mule deer country too.

Lots of cartridges work and I have used the 270, 280, 7x57, 7/08, 30/06 and some magnum chamberings as well. I have yet to be anywhere that a 270 or 280 with a 22" barrel weighing about 7-7 1/2 pounds scoped was a handicap in any way.I have killed with anything along these lines that I have carried and at distances from 30 feet to a bit over 400 yards.

Mostly I have used a 270 Winchester for all this stuff.

I just picked up a kimber montana in 7mm08 and this group is from my first work up load
(3 shots at 50 yds). It wouldn't group better than two or three inches until after the SAS treatment. Great guns but may take a little work.

I handled a Tikka SuperLite in 7mm08 and it was pretty nice. It would be a better choice if you still want to use the 50mm scope IMO.

If my Montanas shot like that I would have kept them.

Did you tune them at all?

Lots of old stuff out there that will get it done.
Should have bought the sako in the classifieds yesterday for 750

Where did you find a a Superlite in 7mm-08?


P

pharmseller,

I was mistaken, the 708 was a T3 lite and a 223 1:8 that I was interested in was the super lite. SW Idaho Sportsman's WH.

You had me counting my pennies there for a minute!


P

A .270 Win has always seemed to me to be an excellent choice and hard to beat for a dedicated deer rifle.

Is that 'mauser' M12 just a push feed?

Is it the one on the left?

Don�your 'stupid' is showing�.

for your future use:

Might be why he got fired from Cabela's.

lawd ... the dreaded so-called QUOTE-UNQUOTE "MAUSER"

Cabela's is one of those places were there are only two ways to get fired. A) Get caught stealing. B) Get into a fight with a customer.

Yet somehow 99 managed another way. Amazing

Since they can't answer the question of "Is that M12 just another push feed?" It's obvious that's all it is.

It looks like a poor value at $1500 and an insult to the original Mauser design.

Pawl Mauser would be shaking his fist at the sky. "why, God?? WHY???"

Here is a link to what Paul Mauser would say: Paul Mauser on the M12

I read that the M12 has a plastic magazine. I have not seen a picture of it.

I had a Montana in 308 that came with a Meostar 3-10x50 like the one you have on it and to be honest the two don't mate together well. That is a big, heavy scope for such a svelte rifle. The glass is great but not on that gun. If you are dead set on using that scope I'd opt for a more sporter weight rifle.

Nope! They shot like crap and sold them off. At that price you should not have to do anything to them in my opinion.

Fotis,

You are amongst the last kchunt,who'd be deemed fit to critique a [bleep] rifle. Congratulations?!? It'd take some REAL doing,to find a dumber [bleep] than you,in regards to any/all things The Rifle. Just sayin'...though SquatToPee is really trying hard. Laffin'!

It's just a [bleep] shame,that you are too [bleep] STUPID,to have any inkling,to just how amazingly [bleep] stupid you are. Read that again,as besides being poignantly poetic,it is also profound. Laffin'!

Now in all fairness to your "vast" "experience","incredible" "knowledge" and "uncanny" "results",I've not been around much more than a couple/few dozen Montuckys,which by and large ran the gamut nicely(.378",.473" and .532"). Hopefully,that'll grant you the ripe opportunity to summons more of your Imagination and activate even more of your Pretend. Laffin'!

If only for conversation and but a coupla days ago,I'll happily burst your contrived bubbles,formulated with your means,abilities and comprehension...which is of course the MOST slippery of slopes. Laffin'!

Hasty Montucky 100yd cluster,with new lot of powder,verifying come-ups with Lapooey Virgins. Bottom trio,had 1000MOA dumped in the erector,betwixt each poke. I realize you'll haveta Google that. Laffin'!

In fairness,the wind and mirage were doing no favors.




Then a 375yd quickaloo trio,for come-up confirmation...in even more wind.



How's 'bout a 700yd+ .5MOA hasty string,while laughing at STUPID [bleep] like you?!?




You may prefer the video.

Montucky's Do NOT Shoot

Be SURE to keep extolling your "expertise"...because it is funnier than [bleep],you sorry Clueless Kchunt.

Points awarded for Imaginary Pretend Ignore and a Hurt Feeler's Report.

Laffin'!

I dont know other than what strosfan pointed out I would tend to stick with your choice and get the kimber. That's what you want and it's likely that if you settle for anything else and you will always be sitting in your deer stand thinking I could have had a kimber. They make a lot of rifles and other than some grousing here on the fire I don't hear much negatives about them. Sort of like remington 700's , you'd think from what some here on the fire espouse that you couldn't make from the gun store to your car w/o the bolt handle falling off and the extractor breaking but I've owned probably a dozen over the past 40 years and all were nice rifles, trouble free and all shot well.

Oh and the 7mm-08 is an excellent choice for a all around game rifle. It will certainly handle any deer you will ever run across. Just go for it.

+1

That's simply BS. In the time it would take to have a couple cups of coffee one could relieve mag box tension (if existed) and minor adjustments to inlet, tweak the factory trigger (Kimber has of the best IMO), float and add some Devcon 10110. The Montana platform is worth investing some time in where needed. And it's all simple stuff.

I don't know anything about how the average Kimber shoots, but I agree with Fotis that for $1500 I would expect a rifle to shoot very well right out of the box. For far less I can buy a rifle that will do so with little if any additional work on my part.

'eye,

The obvious stumps many,which is never not funny.

If a [bleep] boltgun stumps someone,I gotta wonder who actuates the faucet for 'em...so they can get a drink of water?!?(grin)

They prolly wear shoes with velcro,insteada laces too.

Laffin'!










CLB,

You must drink coffee purty [bleep] slow.(grin)

It's a coupla minutes,to yield exceptional results forever.

Notta bad trade.










'Hunter,

Who chews your food for you?

You stupid [bleep] Whine about schit,you are less than 100% TOTALLY [bleep] clueless about. Who starts a roll of toilet paper for you?!?

Sweetheart,there ain't nothin' on the Market that'll begin to hang with a Montucky,as a total package. Though it's always a hoot to get your "critique" on sumptin',due your "knowledge","experience" and "results". Laffin'!

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is ALWAYS gonna be better served by asking questions,instead of "answering" them. Shut the [bleep] up,slow down,take notes and apply same...if only because it WILL help your game. Hint.

Thank me later.

Laffin'!

Wow +P+.

Got sand in your vagina again huh you travelocity gnome. Listen you inbred lepton. If I want your opinion I will give it to you. For God's sake get some therapy. What are you sexually frustrated and come on here to take it out on others? Get some prozak and a blow-updoll you bitch and mind your mouth Mr Know-it all.

You're dismissed jackazz.

Sir for you yes. For me no. Appreciate the input though. For the same price I can get a Sako that shoots great out of the box.

Fotis�couldn't agree with you more on the Kimbers�.

Fotis,

You AMAZINGLY inept Whining Kchunt...weren't my intent to horn you up. Laffin'! It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you MUST and be certain to tell yourself those things you most need to hear. Re-laffin'!

I'll feign my "surprise" that you yet again went wayyyyyyyyy outta your road,to avoid ALL things The Rifle,yet had plenty of time for another Vagina Monologue. Congratulations?

Why is it that you Drooling Do Nothing Day Dreaming Dumbfhuqqs default immediately,to cramming things in your mouths and ass?

Keep on rockin' your "esteemed" "critiques",which are chock full of your "keen" "experience","incredible" "knowledge" and "amazing" "results"...brought to fruition by poignant reflection of your "hard charging" ways. Laffin'!

Jeezus [bleep]...you are as [bleep] clueless as they come.

Bless your heart.

Off to gun multiple Montuckys in 223,223AI and Whizzum.

Google it.

Laffin'!

PS and by the way,if only as per always...I dare you to find me "mistaken" and rest assured,that I will rub your nose even further in your amazing STUPIDITY.

Just sayin',so do NOT let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.

Laffin'!

WOW +P+!










'gwe,

Hoping you BELIEVE in Reincarnation,as you's at least 100yrs away from a first clue.

Laffin'!

If you had spent 1/10th of the time tweaking the rifles as you have just spent bitching about them on the internet, you would have great shooting guns.

And another post turns into a bitching.

Goat:

Thank you for your phenomenal input. I will treasure it forever!

Who is bitching? All I said is that for a $1200 rifle they shot like crap and I offed them. Period.

You like them you tune them. I did not so I sold them.

Remarks like that are gonna hurt my feelers�and you KNOW I'm sensitive�..

Well I am convinced.

We are all clueless but you all mighty gnome.

I am done.

[bleep] Boxer! How am I supposed to buy Kimbers on the cheap if you keep telling everyone they can be made to shoot? Its been proven that Kimbers just SUCK. So for all of you with those piece of chits PM me and for the right price I will dispose of them properly for you.

I�ve had five Kimbers. At most they�ve needed the same stuff I do to about any rifle, especially a light barreled gun: bed them, check to make sure nothing is binding and the barrels are floated. All five shot at least some bullets into 3 shot 1 MOA groups with very minimal dicking around. Two rifles shot significantly better (Talking 5 shot groups averaging less than 1 MOA with several bullets, and plenty of 3 shot 1/2 MOA or less bragging groups).

If a person is too lazy or doesn�t have the know-how to do some basic checks, that�s fine. But to say a rifle is schitty because they won�t perform the tasks one is supposed to do on any bolt action rifle is simply absurd.

I don�t believe I�ve ever owned a factory production rifle that was perfect out of the box, and don�t really expect to.

LMAO......

Count me in as well......

You got me to thinking on this one and I have actually had two rifles perfect out of the box..

You're gonna gag when I tell you�


Tikka T3- not a real surprise andddddd�.


Drum Roll please����.


TC Icon!


Wouldn't have thought it out of either one, but there you have it�.

Really, I have.... Savage, Sako, Weatherby vanguard, Tikka, howa, CZ, TC icon, Cooper.

The Montana was never or ever will be anything special to me GP. Just an overpriced factory gun you must tune.

'snake,

WTF else CAN she do...besides bitch?!? I mean,besides holding her breath and stamping her itty-bitty feet.

Laffin'!










'gwe,

You're damned right on that sensitivity. Do like Fotis do and slap 500cc's of Vagisil in the usual location and chase it with (3) Midol...nursed with Cranberry juice. Pun(s) be intended.

Laffin'!










Fotis,

You AMAZINGLY stupid kchunt,the ONLY [bleep] thing you were ever "in",was being in over your pointy-head. Congratulations?!? Laffin'!

Hot offa the press,moments ago. Subtending .7 Mils at the 100,as zero confirmation and got greedy on the first trio(which is towards the muzzle and upside down,from it'sbacker orientation). Next cluster was mo' bettah'.

OEM Montucky 223,wearing magbox slid shim,so as to arrange 75A-Max kiss...if only because they have NO [bleep] equal. Trigger tweaked,lug bedded and a leetle tip action(if only to horn you up,all over again). Laffin'!



I look forward to more fascinating "recountings" of all the things you almost did,all the wares you nearly did 'em with and all the places you nearly did 'em. Keep fightin the"good" fight and tugging at heart strings as you Champion STUPIDITY and take it to places it's never been before...you "hard charger" you. Laffin'!

Someone who "knows" and "does" as "much" as you,is always gonna do best by shutting the [bleep] up,slowing the [bleep] down,takin' notes and applying same. Hint. But here's to the perpetual oblivious hilarity,of your being devoid the 17 IQ Points requisite to ascertain that glaring obvious. Laffin'!

As mentioned prior,a Hurt Feeler's rEport would really "help" you out.

I'm crying I'm laughing soooooooooo [bleep] hard,you amazingly inept Clueless Kchunt.

Just WOW!










MCH,

I've long been in da' bidness of happily buying Used Rifles,that "don't shoot".

Sadly,one cain't purchase Imagination.

Laffin'!










'goat,

I often shoot NIB OEM Rifles as they fall outta da' box,but only as a baseline curiosity. Of the 100's and 100's and 100's to pass through my mitts,ALL got better after Starting At The [bleep] Start.

Still wonder who chews the food for all these dumb [bleep]?!? Pretty gawdamned amazing,how incredibly Stupid they be.

BUT on the bright side,it is reliably EPIC [bleep] humor!

Laffin'!










Raider,

Bless your heart,you's even dumber than Fotis.

Regale me with Haybale & Crockett "Pursuits" and perhaps mention your favorite Barbed Wire Load.

You poor poor STUPID kchunt,if you were spun in a circle with your eyes closed in a field...you'd have to shoot flares to get rescued. Laffin'!

Bless your heart and here's to you doing your "best",with what incredibly [bleep] little you have to work with. Mebbe go FULL Secret Squirrel and exchange PM's with Fotis and you two stupid kchunts can align The Axis Of Imagination and really get the laughs goin',by virtue of your "experience"?!? Laffin'!

Just oh soooooo [bleep] WOW +P+.

I�m not saying Kimbers are �schitty�, just saying that I expect a $1500 rifle to shoot well out of the box with no additional modifications � regardless of the manufacturer�s name.

Most of my bolt rifles were purchased for under $500 and all will do MOA or better with the right ammo. Only tweaking on any of them was floating the barrel and tuning or adjusting the trigger, something I don�t mind a rifle in that price range.

Ai gamisou malaka.... Mouni tis laspis arhidi!

Blah blah blah

montucky
chiken
fuqqer
blue meanies
sucks 700
hint
+p+
blah blah......


GROTHE! LOL

What is that in the sky? A cucumber? A zucchini? Nope it is much smaller...... Look at the sexual frustration in its face. Oh it is a mini pickle!!!
It is Super Gnome........!

What amazes me is with all these lightly used POS Kimbers around one would think the classifieds would be loaded with them for sale. Funny how that isn't the case.

I thought the whole purpose of buying a factory rifle was to have something to tinker with.

In fairness I did call Kimber yesterday and man the phone crew there is pretty clueless. All I wanted was an allen head screw, the forward Trigger guard screw that sits in side the stock and threads down into the trigger guard. I must have been speaking Tagoloan to the guy. He told me he was sending me two screws. I said I don't need two screws just the one. He told me he was looking at the blue print and there are two screws in the forward trigger guard. I said that is funny I am looking at it right now and there is only one screw. I got off the phone with them and sent an e-mail with picture for the poor clueless bastid!

He must have been in charge of QC ten years ago�


I understand a lot of the 'issues' with new Kimbers are no more�.but I haven't been around the gun biz in a long time so couldn't tell you�but it seems that QC is better now.


Nothing like a TC Icon Though!

Montana, I agree!

My 3 buddies and I sent 5 of them back for accuracy issues, All came back with a 2 MOA clean bill of health! Clueless people. Hey maybe they should hire Boxer/malakas to tune them before they leave their QC section. LOL

2 MOA!!!!


snork!

I would bet that 75% of hunters can shoot 2 MOA at best. I know that from watching stupid hunting shows even 2 MOA is being optimistic.

It doesn't take much skill or tools for what "needs" to be done to get a Montana to shoot. Anyone sharper then a garden hoe can get it done.

I do agree that Kimber should cure these problems before ever leaving the factory. But then we wouldn't have anything to tinker with. So I can live with it.

Many options with your set budget. If you don't handload a 308 in the rifle you like best would be a good option.

A stainless howa barreled action in a McMillan sako classic would be nice and in the budget you set.

I'm yet to see a $1,500 Montana. I paid $900 for NIB Montana in 7-08 right here on the 'Fire. You can't buy a new M70 EW for that! Once again, it's way to easy to "fix" a binding mag box or do a simple bedding job.

Kinda childish to me to hear someone say the rifle "didn't shoot" without looking into why before writing them off and sending them down the road. Fotis might have only had to grind down an action screw a bit....

In my opinion, there is not one factory rifle made that is perfect out of the box. It could very well be that the thinner (less mass) action on the Montana shows a more magnified response to minor imperfections in stock fit or minor binding than say a more robust Ruger or Winchester.

Whatever, no skin off my azz.

Brand new Montana's sell for $1095.00 at my LGS currently.

B'

can't help but chuckle from time to time.........

[video:youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?list=RD8Gv0H-vPoDc&v=8Gv0H-vPoDc[/video]

Best,


GWB

Have you shot an Accuracy International new out of the box?

Not exactly the type of "factory" rifle being discussed here champ...

Your quote was there was "not one factory rifle"�� just responding to the quote.

'Hunter,

Besides being a Clueless [bleep]...you don't even know how to shop.

Congratulations?!?

Laffin'!










Fotis,

You NEARLY said sumptin' about The Rifle,but felt farrrrrrrr more comfortable talking about cock,so refrained. Bless your heart,ain't that quaint?!?

If someone took your rubber dick and spun it around the top of your head,for just single revolution and in an open field,you'd need to shoot a flare for rescue too...just like poor poor [bleep] stupid 'raider. You Haybale Kchunts are a "hearty" and "resourceful" breed.

Laffin'!

PS and by the way,are you still "living" your dream,of running a Whorehouse by hand?!?

You rough & tumble gals are a [bleep] hoot! Really enjoyed the "Testimony" of your Gerbil totin' pals and their keen "knowledge",that's just gotta be commensurate with what you THINK is a first [bleep] clue. Laffin'!

Wow.











MCH,

I keep trying to buy "bad" Montana's,but they only exist in The Do Nothing Gang's Imaginations.

Poor poor stupid [bleep] SquatToPee had the "worst" one ever and with a new home...it drove [bleep] tacks. What were the "odds"!?! Laffin'! 'Course she went all "Sniper" and schit on it,exhausting her "vast" "knowledge" base,before throwing in the [bleep] towel and Whining for years about it whooping her ass. EPIC [bleep] humor!

Bases just got here,so it's Montucky Tinker Time.

Only broke (1) set of LW's on this rifle and dat's rather sumptin',given the mileage,topography,weather and round count. This set remains in 99.99% condition.

Laffin'!




Never have puked a set of DD's,despite 100+ rifles having wore them. 30mm Signatures rings are gettin' gawdamned scarce. Rocked the .020" inclination inherent and stabbed another .025" in the ass,so should eek 120-ish MOA the other side of a 250yd fullhouse A-Max zero.





Ain't gonna leave much to chance.



Film at 11:00,as I'm headed out to shoot again...after the coffee is done.(grin)










'gwe,

Which serial number range were the "bad" ones,as I'm certain I've got a few. Undoubtedly,my original Whizzum is one and even "suffered" stupid [bleep] clueless Brad's feed/function "affliction". I seen that rifle on YouTube and it looked fine to me.

Laffin'!










Kaleb,

Rifle selection includes many things,none of which you mention...mainly because such things are beyond your comprehension. Twist rate and COAL,rate more than a passing thunk.

Hint.

Thank me later.










CLB,

1500 clams will arrange a Montucky,bases,rings,glass and boolits.

Easily.

But it's their Imagination...let 'em Pretend with it,if only because it's as close as they'll ever get.(grin)










Gee,

I reckon you laugh more than a little,every time you encounter a mirror.

Congratulations?!?

Laffin'!










'bird,

With a NIB AI,I'd wanna tweak the trigger,get rid of the [bleep] brake and mebbe do a leetle sumptin' to the skins...as a minimum. That of course dependin' upon which model you think you cite.

The elder CM spouts are a [bleep] bust outta da' gate. Not that CM spouts,ain't enough to make the Haybale & Crockett Crowd giddy.

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Dependin' upon the chambering,I'd prolly wanna swap mags or at least remove plates. Say sumptin' about boolits and COAL,for the "win". Laffin'!

Re-hint.

Good talk.

Laffin'!

I would not be very happy with a $1000 rifle that required tinkering to get it to shoot, either, so whether the current price of a Kimber is in that range or more is moot as far as I'm concerned.

Again, nothing against Kimbers, I just think for that kind of money the manufacturers should take care of details like making sure action screws are not too long and make sure they shoot well before they leave the factory.

I don't think anyone disagrees with this.

At the same time the rifle is good enough that with a little help its a great hunting rig. So why not put a little finishing touches on it?

For discussion -

The barrels are stainless, 24," plain, no brake out of the box.

There is no plate in the AW mags, which affords more than enough length to jam hard into the lands with room to spare for most -08 comparable rounds and bullets assuming the barrel cutter has a clue. The AW mag will accommodate to 2.975" COAL.

Bullets? Default for the '08 is 175 SMK's. Have run the Amaxes in 30 and 7mm, but have found others to be a bit more consistent farther out, at least for me. Scenars and Bergers can yield nice results if and when available. 30 cal 210 Berger at 2800+ can do nice things. No 7mm or 338's in the line-up at the moment, though 176 Cauterucios from a 7WSM at .725 are my favorite, and 250 - 300's surely make the wind a bit easier than others.

Skins - glue walnut on the sides?

2.810" COAL and kissing the lands -

I hate to post this pic twice in the same thread...


I guess I didn't spend $1000 on it though, think I gave about $600 brand new, and I haven't done anything but clean it, mount optics and shoot it...

Arhidovich! LOL

Boxer the op wants to shoot deer not take pics and play on his computer. Haha.

Such things rate a thunk. Hint