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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder?
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The 165gr. is an excellent choice as it will be an all-around bullet. Some may argue the 180gr. for elk but its not necessary. I'd opt for the Partition for elk/bear and the Accubond for all else. If your rifle likes Acc's over Partitions, then load up on Acc's for everything. Others will chime in here pretty soon.
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I killed my cow last year with a 150 NBT from a 308. 150ish yards and it was a mature cow. The bullet smashed though the onside shoulder and the jacket was under the hide behind the opposite shoulder. Couldn't find the core, but the jacket penetrated the meat between the ribs. The cow stumbled 30 yards or so and dropped.... The 165's you mention in the '06 should be just fine.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/shortactionsmoker/E0E52FB4-ED72-49E1-AA32-C887DCB338FF-1820-0000012E63F9E2E3_zps48703e18.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/shortactionsmoker/92E21AE5-CC19-41B6-B0CD-9EC78AE4BBFC-1820-0000012EA554A0FE_zpsb4fd3c5e.jpg)
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder? Yes. Friends and I have used the 165 Partition on elk,mule deer,whitetail,black bear,pronghorn, etc. You will not recover a whole bunch until you get to elk sized animals and even then it seems it takes both shoulders to stop them. They will handle the long angling shots on big deer and of course any broadside shot;even saw one instance where one broke both hips on a spike elk and sailed on through.I think it's one of the best loads out there for a mixed bag elk, deer, and bear from the 30/06. I don't know anything about the 165 AB.
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I've killed a number of animals with AccuBonds from the 140 .270 to the 250 9.3, and in general they do work just about like Partitions of the same weight and caliber, which is what Nosler designed them to do. I might go with the Partition at muzzle velocities above 3000 fps, but that doesn't apply to 165's in the .30-06.
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I've killed several elk with 165's out of my 30-06, Speer hot core. and a 300wsm with 165 Sierra game kings. The Noslers ought to work just fine. Shoot em through the lungs and get your knife out.
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My 1st bull fell to a 165gr partition at 435 yards. He took 3 steps and rolled down the hill. If you do your part, it will do its part.
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I've taken a lot of elk with 150's from a 270. The 165 in a 30-06 makes elk shootin' a piece of cake assuming you hit it right.
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For years my elk load was a 165 Sierra HPBT, but no in an 06.. It killed a bunch of elk very quickly, but I never tried to break a shoulder with it.. Lately, I have been shooting Accubonds.. Again in a 300 not and 06, results have been excellent.. This year I dropped a large cow elk with a 150 grain Accubond and it performed perfectly.. I have a batch of 165 Part. loaded for the same rifles, but just haven't used them.. I think either the Accubond, or Part. would be excellent in your 06..
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder? So far I've taken 3 elk, all cows, with a .30-06. Two were with a 165g North Fork and one with a 150g AccuBond. No drama, just elk dropping straight down at the shot. The one with the 150g AB was on the ground before I recovered from the recoil. The other two dropped at the shot as well. One got back up a couple seconds later and I immediately put another into her which put her down for good, hastening the inevitable. The last disappeared in fairly tall sage and struggled back to her feet when we found her a few minutes later. She was too hurt to move and I gave her a finisher from about 10 feet. Pick whichever one shoots best from your rifle.
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I have killed over 30 elk with a 30-06 and 165 grain Hornady
Spire points. Premium bullets wouldn't have done any better, but if you are so inclined, the Accubond would be my choice...
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I like the 180s for elk in th 30 calibers but if your gun shoots the 165s well don't think twice about using them. Ive killed several with 150s in NBT, AB, and TTSX from a 7 RM including one bull over 800lbs. Shot placement tends to be more important than an extra 15 grains of bullet weight.
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I have killed over 30 elk with a 30-06 and 165 grain Hornady
Spire points. Premium bullets wouldn't have done any better, but if you are so inclined, the Accubond would be my choice...
What he said. At moderate velocities, you cannot beat Interlocks. My kids have killed three elk using them from a model 600 Rem at 2600 fps. They are accurate and function well. I have yet to find any caliber that will not shoot them accurately.
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While I have in no way killed the number of elk that some on this board have, I know they can be funny critters.
I killed one cow with the 165 bt from an '06 with an impact velocity of about 2400 fps. The cow never flinched from two impacts about three inches apart. I thought I had lost her until I got to where she was standing at the shot. Blood was every where on the ground. The cow had stepped over the horizon and then piled up into some high brush forty yards away. The bullets had destroyed the heart and the aortic arch as well as smashing the lungs and lacerating the liver.
On the other hand I have shot two two bulls, a five point and an old, old man six point with the 7mm 162 gr Hornady btsp at an impact velocity of 2600 fps. In both cases the bulls were obviously mortally wounded at the first shot and unable to run away. But I did add more lead to the mix until they each fell over.
Yes, the '06 will definitely kill an elk with either of the 165's you asked about. But after my experience with the '06 on the aforementioned cow, I came home and loaded up a couple hundred Hornady 190's for the task.
If I were to ever take an '06 elk hunting again it would be with the 190 in either the Hornady btsp or the Nosler ABLR.
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MT2000: I have killed all manner of Big Game with my various 30/06 Rifles using the wonderful Nosler 165 grain Partitions!
The game includes Antelope, Blacktailed Deer, Mt. Goat, Mule Deer, Black Bear, Whitetatiled Deer and Elk.
I don't think you can go wrong with the 165 grain Nosler Partitions and well placed shots on any big game from Moose on down to Antelope.
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I do not wish to cause insult, but I think it's a little silly to ask if a 165gr. Nosler Partition is enough bullet for elk.
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I do not wish to cause insult, but I think it's a little silly to ask if a 165gr. Nosler Partition is enough bullet for elk. You say you don't wish to cause insult, then you do exactly that. Why criticize someone who is simply asking a question? P
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder? What do you mean by "fine"? If you equate that to "ideal", then no. Adequate? Usually. I prefer 180s in the '06 for everything from tweety birds up. However, if my '06 had an noticeable accuracy preference for 165 grain accubonds or partitions, I'd use them. Penetrating an elk's shoulder depends on a lot. Is it a nice clean elk or did it just stand up out of the wallow with 2 inches of mud you have to shoot through before encountering hair and hide? What's the angle ... how much meat do you have to shoot through before hitting bone? How far away is it? In other words, how fast will the bullet be traveling when it hits bone and is it already mushroomed out or not? Further, what do you mean by "shoulder"? The shoulder blade? Upper leg bone? Or the ball joint? Those are pretty different. Most of the shoulder blade, other than that big ridge, is no thicker than a rib bone and should be pretty easy to shoot through unless the angle is pretty glancing. The upper leg in the shoulder area is a lot tougher and the ball joint is tougher yet. I'd rather aim for the opposite shoulder and shoot through the vitals FIRST rather than shoot through a hardened target and hope to have enough bullet left to make a clean kill second. Sometimes elk cooperate, sometimes not. If they're cooperative, a .25-'06 or .257 Roberts will work really well. If they're not, hand me a .338. In between ... is in between.  Basically, what I'd suggest is know what the limits of your bullet are and stay within them. That usually makes dead things. Exceeding them usually leads to tracking. Unfortunately, with an "in between" option, nobody who is being honest with you can say "this always works". They can say they made it work 89 out of 89 tries, what they're not saying is they had enough judgement not to try the times it was going to fail. Tom
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IS: IME it isn't all that unusual to bang an elk trhough the ribs into the chest and have it show little reaction...especially since we are likely coming out of recoil and the elk may be a good distance away. We know they are big, phlegmatic animals and don't always react to soft tissues hits. This kind of behavior leads lots of people to go to a bigger rifle and heavier bullet.....which I guess sort of works but not always IME. One fellow I hunted with said he liked a 300 Weatherby or 338 because the elk "react" more to the shot than they do with a 270 or 30/06 and in some cases maybe this is true...anyway I have seen it sometimes from 300 mags and 338,340 etc. OTOH I have seen them hit with bullets from those cartridges with about as much reaction as a 270 or 30/06...and if they are aware of you and scared they become like truck tires IME
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I admit, that cow was my first elk. And I was expecting the humped back I typically see when a solid hit is made on a good Mule deer. Often times the deer gathers itself up and runs up to 100 yds after the shot, but I had never seen a deer not react to bullet impact.
In many ways shooting a bull elk with a 165 gr bullet from an '06 can be compared to shooting a deer with a 60 gr 22 caliber bullet.
Either will do the job with proper bullet placement.
And I always remember sage advice given by several seasoned elk killers.
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I must admit that I shot my first elk (and about a half dozen after that) with a 165-grain Partition from a .30-06. I don't remember any of them needing a second shot, and I believe that all but one died within earshot. Had I just ignored the shooting and outdoor magazines and kept hunting elk the same way, I probably would have never used anything else.
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If you are planning on dropping a spooked bull in his tracks - you may be disappointed. If you are planning to find a dead elk in 1/2 mile or less from where you shot it in the vitals you should be good to go particularly if you shoot to stop them until you do
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Considering I use a 150gr E Tip for moose in a 300 you'll have zero issues on elk with those 165 Noslers and your 06. Not much I wouldn't hunt with a 165 Part and the 30-06. Both golden standards
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? Absolutely!! My first elk was killed with a 150 gr deer load I had for my .300 H&H. Personally I think the 165's are the best all around bullet for the '06. If I can put a bug in your ear try the Barnes 165 TSX's.
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I was waiting for someone to recommend a Barnes. Any of the Nosler 30 cal 165 gr hunting bullets would be good for an all-around load, in my estimation. I prefer heavier bullets, but that is more for the gack than for killing stuff.
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In my opinion a barnes 165 grain bullet might be best, I believe any 165 grain hunting bullet out of a 30 06 will easily harvest elk.
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Many years ago a friend needed a load for a recoil shy brother in law to use in a light weight Savage 110 in 30-06 on a cow elk hunt.
I picked up fifty of the (new at the time) Winchester 30 caliber Failsafe in 165 gr and loaded them up to 2400 fps MV over 40 gr of 3031.
I sighted the rifle in 2 inches high at 100 yds.
My friend got his BIL within 150 yds of a cow and set him up with a good rest. That is when the fun ended and the work of butchering and packing began.
Yes, again they will definitely work. But as long as I can handle the increased recoil and shoot a heavier rifle accurately I will feel more comfortable with the extra power.
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I have killed over 30 elk with a 30-06 and 165 grain Hornady
Spire points. Premium bullets wouldn't have done any better, but if you are so inclined, the Accubond would be my choice...
I too am a big fan of 165 Interlocks, my 30 Gibbs loves them as my Wifes 300 Savage does.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/hunting1/308165NP_zps23a225cc.jpg) 165 partition, Varget, and a bull elk.
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I'm driving a 165 NPT at 2950+ out of a 30-06AI and have some experience with the bullet. Normally winds up just under the skin on the off-side of elk and moose. I have taken both with everything from 6.5 to .338 and It's always the same. 60 feet or less and you have a dead animal. I only have 50 or so ears of experience to draw on.
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If you are planning on dropping a spooked bull in his tracks - you may be disappointed. If you are planning to find a dead elk in 1/2 mile or less from where you shot it in the vitals you should be good to go particularly if you shoot to stop them until you do
HUH!?! That will drop an elk just as fast as anything else and no elk will go 1/2 mile after being shot through the lungs with a 165 Partition. A gut shot may go that far with anything. It is funny how people will praise a 300 with the same bullet and because an '06 bullet may stop under the opposite hide instead of blowing through every time, it somehow is inferior. If you are hunting elk at reasonable ranges (400 yards or less), that bullet/rifle combo will do all that you need.
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I've had elk run between 0 and about 250 yards shot through the lungs with normal bullet performance in relatively flat areas. In the area I hunt that is steeper I've had a head shot cow roll over 150 yards down hill. The attempt to keep her on top of the ridge with a head shot didn't work.
A 165 grain partition will kill elk all day long how far they travel depends on lots of things like placement then penetration and distance of shot, did you break the on or off side shoulder, was the elk on the run or unaware, how steep is the place where you shot them. It's always nice when they drop but it isn't abnormal for them to cover some ground on the last run.
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I use120gr tsx in my daughters 7-08 for moose. So I'm sure that 165 partition will work just fine for elk.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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I shot my first elk last year at 200 yards. It was a young cow and I fired 3 rounds with 2 hits and didn't find a bullet.
168 TSX loaded at 2880 in .30-06. This is a very accurate combo in my rifle with H4350. Of course a Partition, Accubond, etc. would have been more than enough also in a 165.
In my experience though, being in shape is a lot more important for elk hunting. The .30-06 will more than do the job if you are physically prepared.
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quote TOM "What do you mean by "fine"? If you equate that to "ideal", then no. Adequate? Usually. I prefer 180s in the '06 for everything from tweety birds up. However, if my '06 had an noticeable accuracy preference for 165 grain accubonds or partitions, I'd use them.
Penetrating an elk's shoulder depends on a lot.
Is it a nice clean elk or did it just stand up out of the wallow with 2 inches of mud you have to shoot through before encountering hair and hide? What's the angle ... how much meat do you have to shoot through before hitting bone? How far away is it? In other words, how fast will the bullet be traveling when it hits bone and is it already mushroomed out or not?
Further, what do you mean by "shoulder"? The shoulder blade? Upper leg bone? Or the ball joint? Those are pretty different. Most of the shoulder blade, other than that big ridge, is no thicker than a rib bone and should be pretty easy to shoot through unless the angle is pretty glancing. The upper leg in the shoulder area is a lot tougher and the ball joint is tougher yet.
I'd rather aim for the opposite shoulder and shoot through the vitals FIRST rather than shoot through a hardened target and hope to have enough bullet left to make a clean kill second. Sometimes elk cooperate, sometimes not.
If they're cooperative, a .25-'06 or .257 Roberts will work really well. If they're not, hand me a .338. In between ... is in between. smile"
This +10 is worth all the other advice together, vitals 1st, bones second, never failed me yet when I had to make an angled shot on an animal that needs to be anchored on the spot. Magnum man
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shot a cow elk once in Montana.... at about 175 yds, running broadside in front of us...was taken with a 165 grain ballistic tip, out of an 06, with an MV of only 2250 fps...
penetrated the right lung, cut the esophagus in half, turned the left lung into a bowl of spaghetti, along with the top half of the liver...
bullet was bulged on the hide on the far side....
cow elk was 11 years old and weighed about 650 lbs on the hoof according to the Montana F& G Biologist at the check in station....
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I don't know anything about the 165 AB. You should get acquainted.
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...At moderate velocities, you cannot beat Interlocks.
Would you consider 3100 fps moderate velocity?
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In the last 5-6 years our camp has killed probably a dozen cows and spikes with 165gr bullets from an '06.
I used an accubond on a couple,my brother used ballistic tips on a couple. IIRC my buddy has killed 3 with core-lokts. Another buddy uses partitions.
165s of all different flavors work for us.
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I killed my cow last year with a 150 NBT from a 308. 150ish yards and it was a mature cow. The bullet smashed though the onside shoulder and the jacket was under the hide behind the opposite shoulder. Couldn't find the core, but the jacket penetrated the meat between the ribs. The cow stumbled 30 yards or so and dropped.... The 165's you mention in the '06 should be just fine.. That's called coming apart and is to be avoided. You got lucky. NBT's are designed for deer sized game. AB's & PT's are designed for elk sized stuff but I've had 180 gr. AB's come apart the same way. The PT is much stronger than either. From Nosler's web site: Game Recommendations:
Hogs, Antelope, Deer From Nosler's FAQ's: What is the difference between the Ballistic Tip� and the AccuBond�?
Externally, they look the same except for the tip colors, Ballistic Tip� bullets are color-coded by caliber while all AccuBond� bullets have white tips. Internally the Ballistic Tip� is not bonded and is designed for controlled expansion on medium game with approximately 50-60% weight retention. Conversely, the lead alloy core of the AccuBond� is bonded to the jacket. This bonding increases weight retention (65-70%) and slows expansion resulting in deeper penetration and enhanced bone-breaking potential in larger animals.
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I killed my cow last year with a 150 NBT from a 308. 150ish yards and it was a mature cow. The bullet smashed though the onside shoulder and the jacket was under the hide behind the opposite shoulder. Couldn't find the core, but the jacket penetrated the meat between the ribs. The cow stumbled 30 yards or so and dropped.... The 165's you mention in the '06 should be just fine.. That's called coming apart and is to be avoided. You got lucky. NBT's are designed for deer sized game. AB's & PT's are designed for elk sized stuff but I've had 180 gr. AB's come apart the same way. The PT is much stronger than either. Glad somebody said it.......... Casey
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It's far from bullet failure when an animal dies within 30 yards. Considering the bullet smashed through the onside shoulder and was caught under the hide on the opposite side (after exiting the meat), I wouldn't hesitate to use it again at 308 velocities. The insides were Jello.... Call it coming apart or bullet failure if you want, but the results were devastating. When going on an elk hunt again, I'll probably use stouter bullet. Not because I was unhappy with the performance with the 150NBT, but I just like to experiment. I'm betting she'd have traveled farther after the shot had I been using a TSX... Two days later I stood beside the guy in the picture below and watched him shoot a bull at about 300 yards....with a 25-06 and 117 grain Hornady soft points. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l639/shortactionsmoker/AA9FB055-8F81-42EA-8DC2-F2DB60773099-555-00000037059C1A12_zps73108562.jpg)
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Beautiful Elk! Man, pictures like that get me revved up! Very nice!
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Nice bull.
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It's far from bullet failure when an animal dies within 30 yards. Considering the bullet smashed through the onside shoulder and was caught under the hide on the opposite side (after exiting the meat), I wouldn't hesitate to use it again at 308 velocities. The insides were Jello....
Call it coming apart or bullet failure if you want, but the results were devastating. When going on an elk hunt again, I'll probably use stouter bullet. Not because I was unhappy with the performance with the 150NBT, but I just like to experiment. I'm betting she'd have traveled farther after the shot had I been using a TSX...
Two days later I stood beside the guy in the picture below and watched him shoot a bull at about 300 yards....with a 25-06 and 117 grain Hornady soft points.
You got lucky this time. Next time it might come apart before it gets through the shoulder. Any time a bullet comes apart like that, it's a failure and will often result in a wounded and lost animal. Nosler says it's made for deer, not elk. They make stronger ones to do the job better. I've had AB's come apart like that and they're much stronger than BT's. A few years ago, I found an AB jacket under the hide just like that. Later when we cooked the heart we found the core inside it. I figured I got lucky with that one and I was using a bullet supposedly made for the job.
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder? Do your part and the elk will die. My experience with a .30-06 on elk is limited to three cows. Two dropped straight down after being hit with a 165g North Fork SS. The first, at about 125 yards, disappeared in the tall sage and we had to circle around a deep gulley to get to her. She struggled back to her feet as I approached but didn�t move and I finished her from about 10 feet. The other, shot at about 25 yards, got back up immediately, although with difficulty, and I dropped her with a second shot. She slid to the bottom of a steep slope. The third was with a 150g AccuBond, range 262 yards. That one dropped straight down and stayed there. More elk have gone straight down to my 7mm RM and a 160g Grand Slam than any other combo, but I�ve also used it more times than all my other rifles combined. None were lost and none went far � the exception being two cows that made it about 40 yards. Most of those Grand Slams exited and it wasn�t until my last elk with that combo (after 20+ years of using it) that I recovered one. That bullet had destroyed both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull and stopped under the hide on the off side. My 7mm RM loads back then were not particularly fast and the sectional density of the 160g/7mm bullets is slightly lower than a 165g/.308� bullet. In other words, in terms of velocity, diameter and weight the loads were similar to what you are contemplating and they worked very well. This year I�ll be using a .30-06 again, most likely with factory WW 180g Power Point ammo. My backup rifle will most likely be a .30-06 with 150g AccuBond handloads. My confidence level in both is high, provided I do my part but I will apply my long held belief in shooting them until they are down and stay that way. (Given good shooting I don�t recall ever needing more than 2 shots to put one on the ground. There was a cow I shot with a .338/225g AB that took three, but placement of the first was horrible, above the spine. The second would have done the job, a third just speeded things up a bit.) Provided you shoot them well, either a 165g AB or Partition should work just fine. Some elk go down faster than others, even if mortally wounded, so always be ready for a follow-up shot.
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? I'd like a single load for my 30-06 that can be used on anything from deer to elk and I think a 165 grain bullet would be a good weight for a wide range of game. And do you think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond would penetrate through an elk's shoulder? Do your part and the elk will die. My experience with a .30-06 on elk is limited to three cows. Two dropped straight down after being hit with a 165g North Fork SS. The first, at about 125 yards, disappeared in the tall sage and we had to circle around a deep gulley to get to her. She struggled back to her feet as I approached but didn�t move and I finished her from about 10 feet. The other, shot at about 25 yards, got back up immediately, although with difficulty, and I dropped her with a second shot. She slid to the bottom of a steep slope. The third was with a 150g AccuBond, range 262 yards. That one dropped straight down and stayed there. More elk have gone straight down to my 7mm RM and a 160g Grand Slam than any other combo, but I�ve also used it more times than all my other rifles combined. None were lost and none went far � the exception being two cows that made it about 40 yards. Most of those Grand Slams exited and it wasn�t until my last elk with that combo (after 20+ years of using it) that I recovered one. That bullet had destroyed both shoulder joints of a 5x5 bull and stopped under the hide on the off side. My 7mm RM loads back then were not particularly fast and the sectional density of the 160g/7mm bullets is slightly lower than a 165g/.308� bullet. In other words, in terms of velocity, diameter and weight the loads were similar to what you are contemplating and they worked very well. This year I�ll be using a .30-06 again, most likely with factory WW 180g Power Point ammo. My backup rifle will most likely be a .30-06 with 150g AccuBond handloads. My confidence level in both is high, provided I do my part but I will apply my long held belief in shooting them until they are down and stay that way. (Given good shooting I don�t recall ever needing more than 2 shots to put one on the ground. There was a cow I shot with a .338/225g AB that took three, but placement of the first was horrible, above the spine. The second would have done the job, a third just speeded things up a bit.) Provided you shoot them well, either a 165g AB or Partition should work just fine. Some elk go down faster than others, even if mortally wounded, so always be ready for a follow-up shot. CH, I'll be looking for a report on how well those 180gr. WW powerpoints do for you. I've been burning up a lot of them for the past year now. I'll also be using those on my buck this year. Good ol 30-06 running them at 2730 fps should work out nicely. Good luck with your hunting..
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CH, I'll be looking for a report on how well those 180gr. WW powerpoints do for you. I've been burning up a lot of them for the past year now. I'll also be using those on my buck this year. Good ol 30-06 running them at 2730 fps should work out nicely. Good luck with your hunting..
Thanks. Come end of season I hope I have something to report! Good luck to you as well.
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I've shot a lot of elk with a 270 using 150gr Speer Hotcores. They've held up extremely well and are very lethal. 165's in a 30-06 should do as well or better.
I have very little experience with Winchesters. I reload everything and nobody around here sells their bullets.
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Keep an eye on the classifieds here. Crod1972 sells Winchester power point bullets on the cheap. Last time, I bought 750 from him for my 06's and they are surprisingly accurate.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Do think a 165 grain Nosler Partition or Accubond out of a 30-06 is fine for elk? It'll do, but you might want to consider the 168 Barnes TSX. MM
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I've killed a number of elk using the lowly .308 and 165 grain Sierra hollow point Game Kings. The are superbly accurate and on elk and mule deer their performance has left absolutely nothing to be desired.
On the negative side, past 600, due to their very poor BC, and essentially having the ballistic resemblance of a pumpkin, they really get blown around by the wind.
Due to this I try to limit my shots to under 6, with most ending up being in the low to mid 4s for whatever reason.
Personally once I run out of my supply, I'm switching over to scenars, due to their excellent accuracy, and excellent long range performance. That however is a whole other rabbit trail.
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