Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc.

BFR custom shop is all you need. Will out shoot any gun on the market. Get over all the clicks when cocking, animals do not put up with it.

While bfr's are a great value they are not better than the guns mentioned here. You have an ax to grind with freedom arms just so every one knows. Buy a freedom or a Bowen or a JRH or a Clement or a BFR ect. All will work and all will put meat in the freezer.

I'd much rather shoot a 475 or 500 Linebaugh. Feels like more of a rearward push to me, while the very hot 45 Colt loads are whippy. My favorite is the 480 Ruger. Lots of fun to shoot that one. And a heavy bullet at around 900 to 1,000 FPS is about all one needs.

That FA of yours may be the purtiest I've seen. Grips really set it off.

So how does a BFR engage the sear with absolutely no sound?? Magic?

No magic, I have had deer at 40 yards hear the "ONE" click and they did run off a ways, confused but I shot one. Imagine a Colt action with all the "clicks".
You can hold the trigger back with a Ruger and BFR until at full cock and then release with no sound. Sure, can do it with a Colt too but not many that hunt think about it.
Do you know some fools shooting CA change a Ruger to hear the clicks. But they do not hunt so it is OK.
The BFR will still out shoot any Freedom ever made. I have hundreds of sub 1/2" groups at 100 yards. Best was 2-1/2" at 500.
I shot IHMSA with a Ruger against Freedoms, production revolver, International class and put them in their place. They are too stinking tight and the cylinder can't be pulled to alignment by the bullet. That tight fit is a "FEEL GOOD" thing. Custom revolvers from Huntington will NOT have a tight lockup. He knows how to make a revolver. I would trust Bowen too, way before a Freedom. You do not know that not rocking a cylinder is bad as is a tight Belt Mountain pin fit. Brag and show to friends but show what you shoot.
This is Whitworths BFR in .500 JRH at 50 yards.
Three shots off hand at 100 with a Ruger .44.
freedom .454 at 50 yards.
I hate to ask for proof. but what else can i do?

Whitworth knows me and has seen me take 1" targets at 100 yards. Also a can at 200. He promotes the revolver and has a lot of good info but I always out shot him. not a brag but nobody has ever shot the revolver like me or knows more about them. I shoot all cast boolits that will out shoot most rifles.
100 yards with a BFR in .500 JRH.
.44 mag at 200 yards.
You can be one of these or your own man.

I did not see any targets shot at 100 yards showing a 1/2" group, much less "hundreds" of targets.

Funny grip but the Bowen is the best. Eye candy does not make a gun shoot.

let me look. I do not keep all targets. Marko shot first, can did not fall, I took the second shot. Exit holes.
Hole in the top is 5 shots with BFR revolver, others from a friends rifle.

been working with a 30-30 Marlin and a home made mold. Been under 1" at 100. can't shoot cast from a marlin? 3 shots at the can at 100.

Get the FA. You'll never regret it.

For me, I can do about anything I want with a hot loaded .45 Colt. I have several custom Rugers and prefer the older three screw design. Jim Stroh does great custom work, too.

I like the FA 97 more than the 83, like the way they did the transfer bar/safety set up better. I think carrying all chambers loaded is better with the newer design. I have a 97 six shooter in .357 and would probably get their 5 shot 97 over an 83. It's a smaller, handier frame and lighter, a much handier carry piece than the 83.

If you need the big rounds, of course, the 83 is your ticket. I'm just saying what I'd do, what I like and why.

DF

You lean on others and swing. I don't want you swinging on me, What I want is for you to prove what you say and do some work. I have been at this stuff way longer then most of you are old. I want nothing but to help.
I am taken wrong and been booted from sites by "KINGS OF THE HILL." Yet they quote me.
I am a simple guy with years of work but there is always someone with no experience but you will bow to them. Think for yourself without the brain washing.

What you don't know is all freedoms can not have all chambers filled because the hammer blocks and transfer bars can fail.
Look at warnings from Freedom. I have seen both fail. Too complicated with parts that wear too fast. very expensive but a poor design. Nothing will beat a Ruger transfer bar, NOT EVER. you will never beat a S&W either.

With FA and recessed case heads, it's hard to see the empty chamber under the hammer, compared to a Ruger or a Colt. How do you handle that?

And, if choosing between the 83 setup and the 97 setup, don't you think the 97 is a better design than the 83?

The S&W hammer block is probably the best system; the Ruger transfer bar can break.

DF

What matters is what fits best in your hands and hence what you shoot the best. Only you can answer that. As much as I like the Bisley and I've had the opportunity to fire many customs from Linebaugh, Huntington and Bowen, the SA that fits best in my hands is a FA 83 that's been round butted.

So when I take the plunge on a top notch revolver it'll be a mdl 83 built to my specs.

I don't look at one as "better" than the other, they are different and the differences are what must be studied. To paraphrase Bowen, a Ruger can never be rebuilt as tight as a Freedom Arms is from the start. Because they are built right from the start. They are built as precisely as possible and like any precision instrument, they shoot like it. That said, they leave me completely cold. To me, FA's have all the appeal of a precision surgical instrument. No soul, if that's what you want to call it. An FA can be made in any material and with any finish you like as long as it's brushed (or beadblasted as with the Field Grade) stainless steel. Options are limited and if you can find what you want within their parameters and price range, you can do no better.

A custom can be anything you want it to be. As plain or fancy as you like. As "standard" or accurate as you're willing to pay for. A full custom linebored Ruger will be every bit as accurate as an FA but it will also cost more. They can be fitted with the sights of your choosing. They can be finished in hot salt blue, rust blue, charcoal blue, nitre blue, color case hardening, any of the high tech coatings, hard chrome or nickel plated, etc.. The options are almost limitless. Barrels can be round, octagon or ovate. They can be retrofitted with DA barrels such as those from Colt's or S&W's. Top straps can be welded up and reshaped in the old M&P style, dovetailed Single Six or Colt SAA. Grip frames can be swapped, welded up and/or reshaped. Same for hammers & triggers. Like I said, anything you want.

BFR's are good guns, somewhere between FA and Ruger for quality. Perhaps most comparable to a mild custom Ruger. Lock is tighter, fit & finish is better and they are usually more accurate. Like FA's they only come in stainless steel and there are no options for swapping the grip frame but they can be reshaped. Contrary to the ramblings of a crazy old man, they are not better guns than FA and I'll gladly pay $100 for every half inch, five-shot group at 100yds. Problem with BFRSHOOTER is that he makes broadly sweeping conclusions based on singular, statistically insignificant events. Even his buddies at the treehouse club agree on that point. Sorry but two shots on a shotshell hull out of 20shots fired at 100yds don't add up to a half inch group.

Recoil is highly subjective and what you have to do is find what works for you. I'd suggest doing this before paying thousands of dollars for a custom or FA. Some folks like the FA, some prefer the Ruger Bisley, some like both. Best to figure this out before committing.



Most people would strongly disagree with that. If you think that R.F. Sedgley was just a "customizer" because he started with a Colt Flat-top Target to build the famous Keith #5, or Bowen using a USFA Flat-top to build his replica, then your compass is broken.

You got the simple part right. You're booted from sites for being a belligerent [bleep]. You have to work really hard to get banned from SA.com and yet you managed that feat. You're banned because you condescend and berate people who have earned their opinions the old fashioned way. Just as you claim you have done. You're banned because you think that talking trash about industry folk like Taffin, Prasac and Bob Baker make you more credible. All it really does is make you look like a fool.

Nobody is quoting you. Believe it or not, you are the originator of nothing and you have no secrets. Nobody is swinging from your balls or whatever you juvenile cretins accuse folks of.

I didn't make any accuracy statements. But you did. And you said you have shot "hundreds" of 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a BFR. And yet.....you didn't even keep one target?? How is that possible?

This right here is what
I'm talking about. So you cant shoot a freedom, that's you pal not the gun. Its amazing how mine have been extremely accurate. Not as accurate as you can shoot though but I'm not an all world shooter like yourself.