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Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. gunchamp #9040876 07/21/14
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,733 mountains of central PA gunchamp Campfire Outfitter
gunchamp Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,733 mountains of central PA	by the way, I can hit clay targets often at 100 yds with my freedom. Does that qualify me to be in the same room as you BFR? Difference with me is I don't call that 1/2" groups, I call it lucky lol Last edited by gunchamp; 07/21/14.

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Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. gunchamp #9040892 07/21/14
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,733 mountains of central PA gunchamp Campfire Outfitter
gunchamp Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 11,733 mountains of central PA	Back to the op, no matter which one of these you choose, you'll be happy. Whats nice about a custom is you can have it anyway you want. Just look at the beautiful works of art that 257 and whit have. BFR's are very accurate but the grip sucks if that matters to you. Rugers are a great base gun for the build of your dreams and freedoms are the best production gun made. Let us know what you end up doing and post lots of picks!

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. gunchamp #9041102 07/21/14
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OP MojoHand Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,866 HTTP 404	Thanks for all the advice to a newbie, guys. Appreciate it. I tend to fall in the 'pretty is as pretty does" camp. I used to be a lover of beautiful wood and blueing but have kind of turned the other way. If I had a gun (rifle or revolver) that was just 'too pretty' I fear I would never take it outside....especially for what they cost. When I get around to buying one, I think my top concerns would be comfort, durability and accuracy (keeping in mind that I've got a long way to go to consider myself a great handgun shot). In reality, I would probably be happy with a FA, custom Ruger, BFR, or equivalent. I just doubt I'll be able to shoot any before ordering one so I may have to do as much 'internet' research as possible. I figure I mig be able to fondle a FA somewhere but the others...probably not. Anyway, thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Every bit helps Oh, and I probably will end up just going with the .45 Colt. Always been a .45 fan and there isn't anything that can't be done with it in a nice wheeler.. It ain't what you don't know that makes you an idiot...it's what you know for certain, that just ain't so... Most people don't want to believe the truth~they want the truth to be what they believe. Stupidity has no average...

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. bfrshooter #9041105 07/21/14
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257heaven Campfire Ranger 2 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,854 The LBK......TX	Originally Posted by bfrshooter Originally Posted by 257heaven I did not see any targets shot at 100 yards showing a 1/2" group, much less "hundreds" of targets. let me look. I do not keep all targets. Marko shot first, can did not fall, I took the second shot. Exit holes. Hole in the top is 5 shots with BFR revolver, others from a friends rifle. Did you find them?? "Hundreds" of 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a BFR is a hefty claim. Surely you have something to back it up?? I'd like to see a few pics of the revolver, too. Sent from my Dingleberry Handheld Wireless

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. MojoHand #9041125 07/21/14
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257heaven Campfire Ranger 2 Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,854 The LBK......TX	Originally Posted by MojoHand Thanks for all the advice to a newbie, guys. Appreciate it. I tend to fall in the 'pretty is as pretty does" camp. I used to be a lover of beautiful wood and blueing but have kind of turned the other way. If I had a gun (rifle or revolver) that was just 'too pretty' I fear I would never take it outside....especially for what they cost. When I get around to buying one, I think my top concerns would be comfort, durability and accuracy (keeping in mind that I've got a long way to go to consider myself a great handgun shot). In reality, I would probably be happy with a FA, custom Ruger, BFR, or equivalent. I just doubt I'll be able to shoot any before ordering one so I may have to do as much 'internet' research as possible. I figure I mig be able to fondle a FA somewhere but the others...probably not. Anyway, thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Every bit helps Oh, and I probably will end up just going with the .45 Colt. Always been a .45 fan and there isn't anything that can't be done with it in a nice wheeler.. Come on down to Lubbock and you're welcome to try whatever I have. I'll even supply the ammo! But I'm very embarrassed that I don't have a BFR for you to sample......NOT! Sent from my Dingleberry Handheld Wireless

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Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. MojoHand #9041436 07/21/14
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gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma	I have handled and shot both, and own a FA in 454, I dont possess the wheel gun knowledge to notice any differences between the two, I do however possess enough sense to know I have just handled two very fine revolvers. Trump Won!

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. gunner500 #9042156 07/22/14
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Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,071 Central Louisiana	Originally Posted by gunner500 I have handled and shot both, and own a FA in 454, I dont possess the wheel gun knowledge to notice any differences between the two, I do however possess enough sense to know I have just handled two very fine revolvers. Hey, you are an expert on these guns. Don't they make a lot of noise and kick pretty hard... DF

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. Dirtfarmer #9042397 07/22/14
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458 Lott Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 21,317 Alaska / Saudi Arabia	If you're not sure and are sticking with the 45 colt, get one of the bisley 45 convertables and put a couple thousand rounds through it. When you've found what you do and don't like about the gun, have someone like Jack Huntington address those issues. If you just don't like the gun, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to sell it for nearly what you have in it, at most you'd take a $100 hit.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. 458 Lott #9042890 07/22/14
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 311 Tennessee C Carson Campfire Member
Carson Campfire Member C Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 311 Tennessee	Originally Posted by 458 Lott If you're not sure and are sticking with the 45 colt, get one of the bisley 45 convertables and put a couple thousand rounds through it. When you've found what you do and don't like about the gun, have someone like Jack Huntington address those issues. If you just don't like the gun, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to sell it for nearly what you have in it, at most you'd take a $100 hit. I have a couple of Redhawk conversions, but like the stock Bisley 45 Colt stainless steel 5 1/2" model with spare .45 ACP cylinder. Any improvements by a top of the line gunsmith will only make a good gun better. I personally would convert a .44 Magnum or smaller Ruger Bisley Stainless into a custom minimum spec cylinder model in .45 Colt. Last edited by Carson; 07/22/14.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. 257heaven #9044081 07/22/14
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Stuart Campfire Member S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 337 Wet Coast	Originally Posted by 257heaven Excellent taste in single malt as well, sir! Canada: Everything from Eh to Zed.

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Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. 458 Lott #9044175 07/22/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,311 jerrywoodswalker Campfire Tracker
jerrywoodswalker Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,311	Originally Posted by 458 Lott If you're not sure and are sticking with the 45 colt, get one of the bisley 45 convertables and put a couple thousand rounds through it. When you've found what you do and don't like about the gun, have someone like Jack Huntington address those issues. If you just don't like the gun, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to sell it for nearly what you have in it, at most you'd take a $100 hit. Best Advice in the whole thread... doesn't have to be the convertible (with the 45 acp cylinder) though, just the 45 Colt version will do and will run you less money. Unless of course you also have a 45 acp pistol! Jerry Si vis pacem, para bellum

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. jerrywoodswalker #9044713 07/23/14
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,071 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana
Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,071 Central Louisiana	That is good advice. Another custom builder is Jim Stroh at Alpha Precision. I bought a used Ruger Bisley in .45 Colt that he built. I also had him line bore a three screw SBH, opening it from .44 mag to .45 Colt. It has a Shilen barrel, Jim's custom front sight, full length steel ejector housing and is really accurate. I did a trigger stop and tuned the trigger. You can tell I like the .45 Colt round. Not much you can't do with one of those, the right loads in a strong gun crafted to suit the situation. 25 yd. target off the bench, 255 gr. Keith type SWC. 4227 is a great .45 Colt powder. DF Now for something different, try the 270 gr. Thunderhead from Penn bullets. Check out that meplat... That's one hog whacker... It's not named Thunderhead for nothing... Not quite as accurate as a SWC, but pretty good. Last edited by Dirtfarmer; 07/23/14.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. jerrywoodswalker #9045191 07/23/14
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458 Lott Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 21,317 Alaska / Saudi Arabia	Originally Posted by jerrywoodswalker Best Advice in the whole thread... doesn't have to be the convertible (with the 45 acp cylinder) though, just the 45 Colt version will do and will run you less money. Unless of course you also have a 45 acp pistol! Jerry I didn't realize the 5 1/2" ss Bisley is again available as a distributor exclusive. That said, the 45 acp cylinder can easily be reamed to a minimum spec 45 colt cylinder.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. 458 Lott #9045872 07/23/14
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jerrywoodswalker Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,311	Still see them on gun broker most all the time, so the supply is not dry... Yet. AND... if you decide later you want the acp cylinder it will cost you more to pick up a cylinder than just buying the gun with one. Jerry Last edited by jerrywoodswalker; 07/23/14. Si vis pacem, para bellum

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. jerrywoodswalker #9048426 07/24/14
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,687 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana
EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,687 Either Texas or Idaho	There is always a couple of dealers selling them over on the Ruger Forum and pretty fair prices. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. EdM #9048606 07/24/14
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon O Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter
Oregon45 Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,000 Oregon	Originally Posted by EdM There is always a couple of dealers selling them over on the Ruger Forum and pretty fair prices. I bought mine from a dealer on that forum, he has one for sale now for $575 shipped.

Re: Freedom Arms vs...say a Bowen, etc. Dirtfarmer #9053632 07/26/14
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana
gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by gunner500 I have handled and shot both, and own a FA in 454, I dont possess the wheel gun knowledge to notice any differences between the two, I do however possess enough sense to know I have just handled two very fine revolvers. Hey, you are an expert on these guns. Don't they make a lot of noise and kick pretty hard... DF LOL, my 500 loaded full bore was the very definition of 'too much of a good thing' Trump Won!

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