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I have more Left Hand Rifles than any Sporting Good Store

My old hunting pal was a lefty also.. He had some beautiful left handed rifles... But he also had some right handed rifles with custom left handed stocks, and some were just right handed.. But he started buying in those long ago days when rifles only came in right hand versions.. Nice guns buy the way...

I have used right hand rifles but never really liked them . I would carry a lever any day over a right hand bolt gun

All ya need in TN is a Barrett M468 .270 Short w 12.5- in. Bbl for Whitetail.

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Wait, is this not the anyone using ARs for Hunting thread? This one swore an affidavit it was killed w .270 Roy...Cannon County 2005.

How far are you shooting? I'm more impressed with this $320 Ruger American in 7mm-08 at 100 yards:




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2800fps is a speed I quite happily settle for in my 270 Win with the 160g Partition, so what your load is delivering is much to be admired.

Cut that number in half and you're probably a lot closer to reality, but whatever. Both work out to a long way.

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We have killed plenty of antelope, deer and elk with 270's. My good friend and his family has used 7mm-08's on plenty of the same.

Now back to fairy dust on pin heads, and splitting fine frog hairs.

Pharmseller,that group was shot at 100 yds.

Bobnob17,that load actually duplicates a .280 Rem 160 gr NP,H-4831 load in the Nosler #7 reloading manual.

There's the answer right there^^^

Cartridge debates are fun. Usually strategies involve identifying a nuance and impute superiority from it. It ain't logical; but then again, cartridge debates are emotional. There's no need for logic in emotional debates.

The reality is there really ain't enough difference between nearly all practical hunting cartridges within reasonable hunting ranges to cause one to lose a minute's sleep.

If a hunter believes only a mega magnum will kill big game, I'm good. After all, this sport is about having fun within Mother Nature's majesty. But the reality is any suitable bullet from and suitable cartridge that stops flow of oxygenated blood to the brain is going to kill an animal. Therefore, a bullet from either a .270 Win or 7MM-08 Rem that destroys an elk's heart and/or lungs is going to kill it. All the hunter has to do it put a bullet where it needs to be. Nothing living defies biology.

I hate to tell the mega magnum fans here this: a 300 Rem Ultra Mag ain't gonna kill any elk any deader than were it killed by a .308 Win provided bullets from either stop oxygenated blood flow.

I don' have a .280 Rem because when I got in the gun buying business I was too damned smart to realize just how good the .280 Rem is. So I bought me what was then the definitive long range elk rifle: a 7MM Rem Mag. Funny how the passage of time has regulated what was once the definitive long range elk rifle to nothing more than a rifle suitable for smallish coyotes and similar pests.

Hell, you read stuff of rifle experts and they'll tell ya straight up what you'll need as minimum to kill an elk, and most .300 magnums don't qualify.

Were I accorded a hunting do-over, I'd buy a .280 Rem and never need another rifle. There ain't nothing on this continent that that it won't kill; however, were I routinely going after mean Alaskan bears, I'd probably want something along the lines of a Marlin .45/70 that's shootin' 400 grain bullets at 2000 FPS, or an 870 with slugs. But the fact is a whole lot of big grizzlies died after being plugged with 7x57's, .303 British rifles, and '06's. So a 175 Partition out of a .280 Rem ought to break both shoulders of the largest bear considering the fact that its penetrative ability is legendary as evidenced by Bell's culling nearly a thousand elephants with a 7x57 using 175 grainers.

I like my 7MM Rem Mag, but in honesty, it ain't better than a properly loaded .280 Rem. And were we to disregard 175 grain .284 bullets, there ain't spittin' difference between the .280 Rem & .270 Win. We could extrapolate this ad infinitum.

It is a hilarious constant,that is always them who "do" and "know" the least,who are the ONLY ones to start "thinking" that everything is the "same".

Boolits matter more than headstamps and should it coddle your SD Fantasies,Bell flung FMJ's...mainly because that's what the [bleep] he had to work with,at that time and place. That being a function of availability who's byproduct was projectile integrity,rather than a mathematical extrapolation of moot designators. Hint. Necessity being the Mother of Invention. Re-Hint.

Starting velocity is but one facet of the Terminal Equation,arrival speed and projectile integrity,being far more KEY in such determinations.

As per always...boolits matter more than headstamps. Hint.

The Terminal Triology is thusly and unwavering in it's constants.

1) Placement
2) Projectile selection
3) Headstamp

Folks who "know" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be better served in asking questions,rather in giving "answers". Congratulations?!?

Hint.

Just sayin'.

Yesssssssss...you've been led to water.

Thank me later.

Laffin'!






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The only "designator" more [bleep] stupid than SD,is [bleep] "energy"...though it certainly horns Window Lickers up.

Laffin'!

The Paper Hat Brigade is on [bleep] FIRE!

Energy?

BC is better on many .277 caliber bullets of the same weight as a 7mm when it comes to hunting bullets. Like the 140 grain AB BC is .496 in .277 and a BC of .485 in .284 caliber. This difference in BC is splitting of a pretty fine frogs hair of course. Most of the time this is avoided by not offering the same weights in these two calibers or shifting the position of the Ogive to affect BC. That doesn't change the fact that there are more than enough .277 bullets out there for hunting that have a higher BC than the .284 counterpart.

So the theory that the ballistis edge goes to the 7-08 just because it is a 7mm for hunting doesn't really hold water. If a person chooses bullets properly no edge is lost to a 7mm-08 when shooting a .270 Win for hunting situations. Now when it comes to match and target bullets there is no question as to which one offers the best BC's.

Boxer,


Do you really think that a .300 Rem Ultra Mag through an elk's heart is going to kill it deader than a .308 Win through an elk's heart? Is that what you want me to believe? That a .300 Rem Ultra Mag has mystical powers than kills deader than dead?

If you know how animals die, you'd recognize that your "Terminal Trilogy" is thusly nuance designed to disguise lack of merit as appearing intellectual. There is a terminal singularity: put a suitable bullet where it will stop oxygenated blood flow and animals will die. That, my friend, is 100% scientific fact.

Remember that gun and hunting magazines are entertainment. They are not professional journals.

It seems as though you've spent far too much time buying in to a factless theory and now you're willing to throw down in order to defend your posture.

Let me write this again: put a suitable bullet from any suitable cartridge in a big game animal's heart and or lungs, and it will die. Caliber & cartridge, within reason, is immaterial. Stopping oxygenated blood flow is material. You do understand this singular concept, don't you? Or do you need a trilogy to kill animals?

Boxer,

Let me ask you a very simple question: will a .30-30 Win with a suitable bullet (Nosler 170 grain) at reasonable range (150 yards for this cartridge) kill an elk if the bullet stops oxygenated blood flow? I'm just curious if your terminal trilogy thing that you have goin' on prevents some elk from dyin' after their hearts stop pumping oxygenated blood.

This may sound harsh,but,I don't care about energy figures. All it boils down to is shot placement and bullet performance.

We may have had past disagreements, but I will tell you that I couldn't agree with you more right here.

BTW, while I will look at ballistic tables only for trajectories, were I concerned about killing power, Taylor KO Index is the only one I'd use.

Not gonna like this,don't care much for Taylor's KO Index either. Taylor came up KO Index for solids and elephants. For instance a .600 NE with a 900 gr was supposed to "knock out" an elephant for an half hour if the bullet missed the brain. Yeah right! He never meant it to be used for soft-points.