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No new round has impressed me more than 300 WSM. In a nutshell you get 300 WM performance in a 308 size package with 30-06 recoil.
Big 30-06 fan, used it for 40 years and killed most all of my game with it. But today I'd not recommend a new shooter buy one. I've been using 308 a lot more lately and fell into 300 WSM really by accident. It does everything the 30-06 does, and does it better.
My best 308 loads are only 3-4% slower than my best 30-06 loads, but with 25% less recoil in same weight rifles. The recoil in my 6 lb Kimber 308 is about the same as my 7.5 lb 30-06.
My best 300WSM loads beat my best 30-06 loads by 200-300 fps, coming within 50-75 fps of 300 WM. Because of slighty less speed, and the fact the 300 WSM does it with 15-20 gr less powder recoil is closer to 30-06 than 300 WM levels. Anyone who can tolerate 30-06 recoil will never notice the difference with a 300 WSM.
The 30-06 does have a couple of advantages. If you don't reload ammo is cheaper. But 300 WSM is everywhere now, albeit more expensive than 30-06. I can't recall the last time I saw 300 WM on the shelves and not 300 WSM. A 30-06 rifle will also allow you 1 or 2 more rounds in the magazine if that is important. Good post. I'm a long time 30-06 user/fan (since I was 12), so I can relate. However, I'm finding myself using the 300 wsm more and more. It has made a huge impression on me as well..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have a question for those who have hunted with both. Is there a difference in killing an animal between the two cartridges? Shooting equal bullets in the 30-06 and the 300 win even on elk I have never been able to detect a difference in killing ability. I have owned and used both for nearly 30 years and the older I get the more I like the 30-06 over the various 300's for normal hunting. My 30-06 is lighter than my 300's and holds more rounds in the magazine.
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I have not hunted with either round, but I have reloaded for them. Both produced good groups with very little testing.
I was really impressed with the wsm, however. I helped my friend with a load for his Savage. I took Nolser's data and dropped to one grain under max with 7828 ssc and a 200-grain Partition using their COAL. The rifle shot them into 3/4 inch the first time out and shot great to 800 yards. Doesn't get any easier than that.
You did not "seen" anything, you "saw" it.
A "creek" has water in it, a "crick" is what you get in your neck.
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I do not own a 30-06 anymore.Anyone who thinks the 300WSM cannot push them with the BigBoys has not tried Reloader 17.I use a 308 as my intermediate range cartridge and 30/30 here in Wi.
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The 300 is a good hunting round, but if given the choice i will take the 06 any day over the 300 WSM for my hunting
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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I always have at least a couple of .300 magnums around, and always have a .30-06 or two as well. Right now have a .300 WSM and a .300 Winchester Magnum. But anymore I mostly use the .300's to break scopes during tests, and hunt with the .30-06.
Anybody who thinks a .300 WSM gets .300 Winchester velocities while kicking like a .30-06 hasn't fired many .30-06's, and evidently swallowed the advertising BS about the .300 WSM when it came out.
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"Anybody who thinks a .300 WSM gets .300 Winchester velocities while kicking like a .30-06 hasn't fired many .30-06's, and evidently swallowed the advertising BS about the .300 WSM when it came out."
Amen!
Good Shooting!
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The 300 WSM is a short, fat 300 H&H and gives about the same velocities with any bullet I have tried.With at least one powder and bullet,the charges were identical in both and velocities were within 25 fps of one another. Either one will give more velocity than the 30/06 with the same bullet.For example it takes a solid load to give 2900 fps with a 165 in the 30/06(some will do a bit better),and either the WSM or the H&H will do over 3100 fps pretty easily. I notice some guys heat up the WSM more than that, but I have found the WSM very accurate at those velocities. If the extra velocity means a lot to anyone they should get the WSM. I worked up a mild, moderate recoiling load in the WSM using RL15 and the 165 gr bullet that easily hit 30/06 velocities without breaking a sweat,and accuracy was excellent. I have owned and shot both a Montana in 300 WSM as well as the wood stocked version.Either one gins up a lot of recoil,and I found the slightly heavier Winchester EW a nicer shooting rifle.If I wanted a 300 WSM that's the rifle I would buy again. I don't have any 300 magnums any more but I do have a 30/06. 
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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I don't have any 300 magnums any more but I do have a 30/06. That's sorta sums it up... DF
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I like the luxury of stepping into a big box store, picking up 40rds for under 40 bucks and heading to the range. 30-06 for me. If I did more reloading, that might change but probably not.
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The 300 WSM is a short, fat 300 H&H and gives about the same velocities with any bullet I have tried.With at least one powder and bullet,the charges were identical in both and velocities were within 25 fps of one another. Are you familiar with the experiment Charlie Sisk performed with those two cartridges using the same barrel?
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The 300 WSM is a short, fat 300 H&H and gives about the same velocities with any bullet I have tried.With at least one powder and bullet,the charges were identical in both and velocities were within 25 fps of one another. Are you familiar with the experiment Charlie Sisk performed with those two cartridges using the same barrel? mathman: Vaguely(?)  but I do not remember much. I do know others have seen about the same things. The results I posted above were with a M70 FW 300 WSM,and a pre 64 M70 300 H&H. The load with the 165 Nolser partition was 72 gr RL22 in both cases for 3125 in the WSM and 3150 in the 300 H&H.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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He chambered the very same barrel to both rounds, and did the H&H first so on the rechamber to WSM the barrel ahead of the case mouth would remain unchanged. The cartridges performed extremely close to one another.
Side benefit: H&H shooters now have a source of data for newer powders.
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And I love it. I revived a Sako FN barreled action in 300 H&H. New Mcwoody , jkob did the side swing safety and timney trigger. Charlie Santoni did the cerakote and I mounted a 3x18 Swaro Z5 in S&K rings and mounts. Shot it for the first time yesterday and the 190 Accubond LR's show some promise.
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Having trouble posting because of photo size I guess. Downsized a few and images went to hell. Can send to someone to post.
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I have a question for those who have hunted with both. Is there a difference in killing an animal between the two cartridges? Not that I've been able to tell, both kill quickly. The WSM is prone to accuracy like a 308 Win. but shoots flat like a .270 or 7RM. In recoil it feels like equal stair steps from 300 Savage, 308 Win., 30-06, 300 WSM and the slightly over my threshold of fun the 300 Win mag. My 300 WSM has a cushy LimbSaver brand recoil pad and it works real good! Most people probably don't need a WSM unless they catch themselves trying to push their lesser calibers for a little more velocity, if that is you I would make the move up, they are nice.
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And I love it. I revived a Sako FN barreled action in 300 H&H. New Mcwoody , jkob did the side swing safety and timney trigger. Charlie Santoni did the cerakote and I mounted a 3x18 Swaro Z5 in S&K rings and mounts. Shot it for the first time yesterday and the 190 Accubond LR's show some promise. Sidepass' rifle. ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/Sidepassrilfe4.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/Sidepassrifle3-1.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/Sidepassrilfe1.jpg)
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The 300 wsm is more powerfull and more accurate than the 06, that makes it the hands down winner, period.
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