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I would encourage or challenge any nay- or maybe-sayers to read through the Bible and attempt to prove it wrong (C.S Lewis-style) by anything and everything at your disposal-archeology, secular history, philosophy, the physical constants of the universe, what it says about human nature-with only one requirement, honesty. Until you inform yourself of it's self interpretive nature, you are ill served to offer any opinions on its substance. What you [/i]feel[i] or [/i]think[i] or [/i]desire[i] is NOT the standard for ultimate truth. Most of what I've skimmed over here shows less a lot less knowledge and careful thought than I would have expected from a bunch of gun looneys and hand loaders. 
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I would encourage or challenge any nay- or maybe-sayers to read through the Bible and attempt to prove it wrong (C.S Lewis-style) by anything and everything at your disposal-archeology, secular history, philosophy, the physical constants of the universe, what it says about human nature-with only one requirement, honesty. Until you inform yourself of it's self interpretive nature, you are ill served to offer any opinions on its substance. What you [/i]feel[i] or [/i]think[i] or [/i]desire[i] is NOT the standard for ultimate truth. Most of what I've skimmed over here shows less a lot less knowledge and careful thought than I would have expected from a bunch of gun looneys and hand loaders. You are about 70 posts behind.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Oh well
This is gonna take a while
Snake Nah...an agnostic is wondering around. An atheist has chosen his path.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
www.paracay.comIt's better to live rich than die rich. Live simply so that I may simply live large.
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
Not quite. There is a big difference between "I don't know" and "I don't care". Ignorance vs. Apathy.
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
Not quite. There is a big difference between "I don't know" and "I don't care". Ignorance vs. Apathy. There you go with that "learning" thing again.  Had a great time, thank you and your lovely bride again. Ed BTW, I'm in the "don't care" group. I don't care whether you are agnostic or atheist. I believe that, sooner or later, you will meet your Creator and all this will be put to rest once and for all.
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I would encourage or challenge any nay- or maybe-sayers to read through the Bible and attempt to prove it wrong (C.S Lewis-style) by anything and everything at your disposal-archeology, secular history, philosophy, the physical constants of the universe, what it says about human nature-with only one requirement, honesty. Until you inform yourself of it's self interpretive nature, you are ill served to offer any opinions on its substance. What you [/i]feel[i] or [/i]think[i] or [/i]desire[i] is NOT the standard for ultimate truth. Most of what I've skimmed over here shows less a lot less knowledge and careful thought than I would have expected from a bunch of gun looneys and hand loaders. You are about 70 posts behind. I apologize for that. I don't always have the time or inclination to read a thread in it's entirety. Take it for what it's worth.
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
Not quite. There is a big difference between "I don't know" and "I don't care". Ignorance vs. Apathy. Agnostic vs apatheist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism
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So, in addition, there is a difference between an atheist and an apatheist.
I appreciate the intellectual exercises, and can enjoy engaging such. Those, in part, have lead me to understand that none of such endeavor will enable, or prevent, entrance to Heaven and eternal joy. Some factors are more important and encompassing than human intellectual exercises.
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what I think I have learned reading this thread is that no one, no not one knows. given that, some believe, have faith, etc., and others also know that they don't know, and might not have faith, belief, etc.
others, such as the atheists, know at least in their own mind, given the available evidence that there is no God.
an agnostic mind might be the most honest mind that walks amongst us?
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Some factors are more important and encompassing than human intellectual exercises. Some are essential, like a child-like faith.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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atheists, know at least in their own mind, given the available evidence that there is no evidence for the existence of God.
Fixed it for you.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Some factors are more important and encompassing than human intellectual exercises. Some are essential, like a child-like faith. That is something we can agree on.
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I know this much. Ten people who posted on this thread are on my ignore list, as a reminder to myself that they are buttholes. Every one of their posts were denying, if not insulting, the existence of God. Quite telling, considering that nobody makes that list because of religious dialog.
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
Not quite. There is a big difference between "I don't know" and "I don't care". Ignorance vs. Apathy. ======== If there is a God, He marks no distinction between the two.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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Suppose I'm agnostic. I just don't have the faith. I used to visit different churches trying to find that faith but finally quit. I believe in a higher power, just don't know who/what it is and if any religion prays to him.
Say you live your whole life in a tropical island or jungle village and you've never heard of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim god. You live a moral unselfish life, but you're going to hell because you don't believe? My god wouldn't do that.
Religions are started and written down by man very often large distances apart with different customs and stories handed down.
My own theory is most religions and the non-affiliated pray to the same god.
I live a good life and I despise malicious selfishness, if my god is a just god then I'm in.
The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.
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Suppose I'm agnostic. I just don't have the faith. I used to visit different churches trying to find that faith but finally quit. I believe in a higher power, just don't know who/what it is and if any religion prays to him.
Say you live your whole life in a tropical island or jungle village and you've never heard of the Christian, Jewish or Muslim god. You live a moral unselfish life, but you're going to hell because you don't believe? My god wouldn't do that.
Religions are started and written down by man very often large distances apart with different customs and stories handed down.
My own theory is most religions and the non-affiliated pray to the same god.
I live a good life and I despise malicious selfishness, if my god is a just god then I'm in. Well put!
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Bigfoot,
Here�s the problem with you position and the Christian God, Jesus Christ. He says you are a wretched sinner and you need Him. He says His Dad sent Him to pay the price for �The wages of sin is death� and your death does not satisfy His Dad. If you reject His gift of His Son He gets very indignant and sends you to Hell. It�s that simple. To accept His gift you repent and tell God you want Jesus� death to apply to your sins.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Agnostic is just another way of saying, "I don't give a rat's ass". And I don't.
Not quite. There is a big difference between "I don't know" and "I don't care". Ignorance vs. Apathy. ======== If there is a God, He marks no distinction between the two. Now, here we have a person who acts as if he/she knows such distinctions as not made by God. By what means whould a person know such things?
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