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My wife has a little plate with the saying, "If you're lucky enough to live in the mountains, then you're lucky enough." I believe that sediment could be paraphrased here.
"If you're lucky enough to shoot enough to wear out a barrel then you're lucky enough."
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I have a 7mm Rem mag and it is a stout kicker. I can shoot it well but it gets to me halfway through a box of ammo. I used to have a .257 Roy and it was a pussycat to shoot. I miss that but I really want a nice model 70. For my taste in rifles the model 70 is perfect. So I figure the .264 would give me back a lot of the things I liked about the .257 Weatherby. And thanks to your posts on here, I'm not going to worry about the barrel life.
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Well its a hunting cartridge for shooting Big Game, out side of developing a load or two, how much are you going to shoot it? a few dozen shots a year? There are less expensive cartridge to shoot for range practice. I shoot a 7mm RM these days, for my pre season practice, I hunt squirrels with a 22, I can shoot 40 of them for a seasons limit, I try to do it will a box of 50 cartridges or less, head shots only, best tune up for hunting big game that I know of and good eats and fly tying material for my trout fishing to boot, a win win!
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Well its a hunting cartridge for shooting Big Game, out side of developing a load or two, how much are you going to shoot it? a few dozen shots a year? There are less expensive cartridge to shoot for range practice. I shoot a 7mm RM these days, for my pre season practice, I hunt squirrels with a 22, I can shoot 40 of them for a seasons limit, I try to do it will a box of 50 cartridges or less, head shots only, best tune up for hunting big game that I know of and good eats and fly tying material for my trout fishing to boot, a win win! I shoot my guns way more than that. I don't own many guns so the ones I do have get used hard. I get to the range every week at least once. Just had the .338 at the range a couple hours ago. If and when I get a .264 it will be shot at least a hundred times a year.
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I have one with well over 2000 shots on it that is semi retired but still shoots 1/2" groups. I have another one that probably has at least that mnany on it that shoots better than that. reflex264
![[Linked Image]](http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e328/reflex264/Hunting/th_PICTURE3.jpg) .264 barrel current number of shots:2122
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I have one with well over 2000 shots on it that is semi retired but still shoots 1/2" groups. I have another one that probably has at least that mnany on it that shoots better than that. reflex264 Is there something you do differently like maybe back off your handloads a little or shoot heavier bullets that you get such good barrel life?
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Maybe he doesn't have a borescope...  IME, barrels can show pretty much throat erosion and still shoot great. DF
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I started using tetra gun bore conditioner on it. When I first got the barrel had so much copper fowling in it within a few shots that it would go nuts. I read a post on a benchrest forum where a gent was having problems very similar to mine. He cleaned the bore with CR-10 them used a bore snake coated with tetra gun. Usualy about 3 strokes with the snake. A couple of shots to burn the excess tetra then about 20 shots followed by the bore snake. After a while the copper quick sticking. I had a thread on here about the hole thing if it is still here I will pull up a link.
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Maybe he doesn't have a borescope...
Nope if I need one of my gunsmith buddies will deal with it.
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.264 barrel current number of shots:2122
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The 264 makes a heck of a squirrel rifle with a 100 gr ballistic tip at 3100 fps using a relatively fast powder.
And it will not accelerate barrel erosion much if fired at a sensible rate.
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But the 95gr Vmax with 72grs H4830 is a lot more fun.
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But the 95gr Vmax with 72grs H4830 is a lot more fun.
Maybe, but back when the 264WM was brought out, 2 factory loads were listed a 100 gr at 3700 fps and the 140 gr at 3200fps. The 100 in both WW and the RP 100 were full dia. bullets loaded hot and I'd bet my last dime they are what gave the 264 it's barrel burner rep. Both the WW and RP 140 gr bullets were 2 dia and loaded to pressures that are acceptable. Reduced bearing surface, reduced wear. When the barrel is gone put on another, it's just part of the price you pay to play. BTW neither WW or RP offer the 100 gr loads anymore. I never found any WW 100gr ones to try but the RP 100's shot well in my 700 Ltd Classic 264. A full dose of H870 and Fed 215's gives me 3000 fps with 140 NPT's and no problem killing any deer/antelope but no deader than 129 gr Hornady interlocks loaded easily to 3100 fps do.It's not the name or the rep., if you hot rod anything it just lasts less time period. Good luck MM
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I read online that the 7mm Rem mag will give twice the barrel life of a .264 Win mag. I find that hard to believe but what is the life expectancy of a .264? I'm interested in getting a new model 70 in .264 and want to know what to expect. MM: Cooking barrels is something not to sweat. They are disposable goods like bullets. If it wears out you just get another one. Buy what you like and don't worry about the 264. Sometimes one comes across a rare pebble of truth... I have shot ALOT in my reloading career... And I can't recall that I've ever totally toasted a barrel. I've had two M-700's in .264 that I wasn't happy with for one reason or another... that went down the road! I now own two others. One, an FN Mauser with a 22" bbl, and a Factory Wby Vanguard w/24" bbl. And I'm working on a Pre '64 M-70 to arrive soon... I've always figured that few shooters REALLY shoot out a barrel. Most just rebarrel because they want something different; i.e: new caliber, longer barrel, heavier, lighter, etc... And besides, todays barrel steel is likely much better that it was 50 yrs ago...
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A few more thoughts:
Let's say the barrel on the factory Model 70 the OP is thinking about goes 1000 rounds before accuracy isn't acceptable anymore. (My experience is the typical .264 will last longer, but let's just say 1000. It might last twice as long.)
At that point it can be sent back to the factory for another barrel at a price far less than the typical $500-$600 "custom" barrel. Or it could be sent to E.R. Shaw and rebarreled for around $300, and in my experience Shaw barrels shoot better than all but the best factor barrels.
At that point the shooter has already spent over $400 in components, plus whatever cleaning supplies. Yet for some reason some shooters are worried about having to spend MAYBE that much more to replace the barrel.
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Good points. I never really thought about sending a shot out rifle back to the manufacturer for rebarrel, but it makes sense.
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I've talked to several of them about it, and it's always a really good deal, especially since the will normally match the contour of the old one. But all I've talked to only rebarrel to the original chambering--which in your case isn't a problem.
I first started inquiring about factory rebarreling maybe 10-12 years ago, and Ruger was only charging $75! The price has gone up since then.
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But the 95gr Vmax with 72grs H4830 is a lot more fun.
Maybe, but back when the 264WM was brought out, 2 factory loads were listed a 100 gr at 3700 fps and the 140 gr at 3200fps. The 100 in both WW and the RP 100 were full dia. bullets loaded hot and I'd bet my last dime they are what gave the 264 it's barrel burner rep. Both the WW and RP 140 gr bullets were 2 dia and loaded to pressures that are acceptable. Reduced bearing surface, reduced wear. When the barrel is gone put on another, it's just part of the price you pay to play. BTW neither WW or RP offer the 100 gr loads anymore. I never found any WW 100gr ones to try but the RP 100's shot well in my 700 Ltd Classic 264. A full dose of H870 and Fed 215's gives me 3000 fps with 140 NPT's and no problem killing any deer/antelope but no deader than 129 gr Hornady interlocks loaded easily to 3100 fps do.It's not the name or the rep., if you hot rod anything it just lasts less time period. Good luck MM My old Hodgdon book shows 87gr speer with 73gr H4831 at 3812fps and 100gr hornady with 71gr at 3680fps. It also shows a 77gr norma bullet with 73gr h4831 at 3899fps. The old H570 works best with the heaver bullets as I have a 3shot average at 3095fps with the 160gr Woodleigh PPSN with one over 3100fps.The H4830 was a type o and should have been h4831.
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What appeals to me about the .264 WM is that it enables you to hunt all the same game animals as a .30-06, but with greater range and less recoil to boot.
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I had the same reservations about barrel life when I first bought my 264WM. However, after discovering much that has been discussed here about re-barreling, whether sending back to the factory or buying an aftermarket barrel, I decided to shoot and be merry. A 264WM can be re-tubed just as easy as a 30-06.
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