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Sometimes when doing retracement surveys of rural farm properties, I can tell you who did the survey and how good it would check, based on the type and number of beer cans around the instrument set-up points.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
I was just in McDonalds yesterday having a quick breakfast, one of the 'Managers' was interviewing someone for a job in the next booth.
The interviewee interrupted the process to answer and talk on her cell phone!


That one should be an easy decision to make�...


You could've waited until the interview was over to call.... grin

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A sober man will bitching and grumbling about how much painting sucks ass and how his life has somehow taken a wrong turn. Lol

Hire the drunk guy, he will stay focused on his work. Cause, the more work he does the more money he makes, the more beer he can buy.

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My very first full time job way back in 1957 was for a printing outfit that made those cards you see in the paint department at hardware stores. I got a promotion to the paint room where we spray painted the 6x8 foot paper with the colors needed by the customer. Mostly we used laquer but sometime enamel or some of the other type paints. Funny thing is after work we'd stop at the local pub for a beer and they would serve me even though I was only 18 at the time and baby faced as hell. I still got carded in my late 20's. Anywat, not that I'm excusing drunken painters but after smelling those fumes from the paint, thinners involved, one beer will literally knock you out. Bt the time I got home, it's 7 miles from the parking lot to my house at the time, I was literally totally shiiiitefaced. Much as I liked that after work beer I switched to ice tea or Coke.
Shortly after I got that job I was able to get my first car, a 1949 Ford two door club coupe. It was owned by an old couple and was totally mint. Three days later while stopped at an arterial stop sign with my left turn signal blinking a drunken painter hit my stopped vehicle at an estimated 60 MPH as estimated by the police by where my car was stopped after the impact. The driver hadn't even tried to use his brakes and the cops said he was probably passed out when he hit me. I've had a bad back ever since and when I tried to sue he didn't even have any insurance nor even a dime to his name. mad Oh well. whistle
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Face it guys....this 'ain't' the same America us old pharts grew up in!!


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We hired 5 a few weeks ago. Not one of them will ever be electricians. My helper can't pull a piece of mc cable that is long enuff. He will measure it and cut it first then its to short. My head almost exploded today after I got up on a ladder to hang a exit sign. You guessed it, wire wouldn't reach. He is on my mf'n nerves! He's 34 and is a dam kid so is his brother who is 38. Useless as a dik on a chick. My boss won't let me fire him. None of the new guys can use tools, when they use their tools it looks like a new born calf trying to walk. WTH?


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We're trying to hire a steel fabricator, good money, decent benefits, nobody has passed the "math test".
If you can measure and build a stair and handrail with your own math skills, you can have the job!

Having to hire young and grow our own, hope they don't bounce too soon...


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Hiring young and bringing someone along might be the best way to do it in the long run.

Not saying there aren't incompetent folks around but a lot of folks just need a helping hand, or rather someone to show them the ropes. People tend to forget that they had to spend 10-20-30 years doing what they're doing to get where they are.

When I got my first job as a computer programmer I was fresh out of school and while I knew how to write code I was still a newb. My supervisor would ride me mercilessly because I didn't have the same knowledge that he had after 20 years of experience. He could have taught me a lot, instead he chose to constantly give me a hard time about my inexperience so after a couple of hard years getting some time on my resume I finally told him to get f*cked and walked off with no prior notice.

You see a lot of that in other areas - folks come here sneering at some newby they heard asking newby questions at a gun counter. None of us were born knowing what our experience taught us over the years.

Just saying, maybe someone is a total screwup, or maybe they want to learn but don't know everything yet and could use someone with a little patience and understanding to show them the tricks of the trade.


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There's a lot of truth to that. Employers want a lot nowadays, they want someone fully trained, ready to hit the ground running with no training required who'll show up early and stay late, and they want it for minimum wage.

Like it or not employers are competing with Obama's welfare state for employees. Whether or not that's the way you or I feel it should be, that's the fact at this point in time. If you're trying to hire an office assistant and can't do it at the pay offered then that means you're not offering enough pay. Any job is fillable for the right pay. I know many think that job shouldn't pay more than minimum wage because they dug ditches for minimum wage when they were in college, but if the market dictates you have to pay more for a competent office assistant then that's what you pay or do without. Fireball was jumped on for saying a job needs to pay more than $350 a week but he's right. The government inflation numbers are BS and the cost of living has easily doubled in the last ten years, wages haven't kept pace. Yea, you could get people to work for less if you cut out all the welfare, starvation is a powerful motivator, but that'll never happen with the democrats in power. There's too many votes to be bought by redistributing money to people for not working. Since welfare's not going away, an employer has to compete against it and that means paying more than minimum wage if they want competent help. It's not enough to dismiss it by saying "if they wanted more than minimum wage they should have gone to college". Not everyone needs to be a manager, there's too many chiefs and not enough indians in the workforce already.

Good workers are still out there, you're just not going to get them by paying poverty wages.

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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Good workers are still out there, you're just not going to get them by paying poverty wages.


The job starts out at $12.75 (510.00), Just a tad above Fireballs $350.00.


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Originally Posted by RMulhern
Face it guys....this 'ain't' the same America us old pharts grew up in!!


This.

I supposedly retired over two years ago but agreed to help out if I was really needed. I tell them no quite often but do work if it fits in my schedule and worked about 50 days last year. I just finished working the last three days and had three different folks ask me if I wouldn't come back to work full time!! I'm on the wrong side of 70 years old and can't seem to get it through my head why there aren't people willing to learn the trade I'm in. (Stationary Engineer) The employer is even willing to train someone who is interested enough to commit themselves to learn the trade. So far, no luck. It just blows my mind.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag

The job starts out at $12.75 (510.00), Just a tad above Fireballs $350.00.


$26.5 K a year in a state with a fairly high cost of living.

This article says average welfare benefits for a single mother with two kids is $28.9 K per year in Michigan.

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/19008

She'd be taking a $2400/yr pay cut to take that job, and that's for someone with presumably no job skills. Now try and find a GOOD worker & tell them they're worth $2400 a year less than some welfare mooch. That's the reason they can't fill the job.

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Originally Posted by 12344mag
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Good workers are still out there, you're just not going to get them by paying poverty wages.


The job starts out at $12.75 (510.00), Just a tad above Fireballs $350.00.


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Originally Posted by Miss Lynn
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Welfare pays more than work ( http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfare-pays-more-than-work-in-most-states/ ) and in order to bring home $350/week in most places you have to be making $11+/hour.

OMG! Single people on welfare in Quebec, Canada (with no disabilities) receive $630.00 a month. A lady I know, the same age as me was talking about it at the Doctor's office. I guess she is not impressed as her rent is $425.00 a month. I am not impressed that I pay her rent frown

Lynn, you are going to confuse people as to which country is more socialist today..

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I hadn't thought of or checked the welfare stats, Shocking to say the least. we are headed the same way as Greece, I just wonder how long.

I showed the wife, she's not happy but will have to work inside the parameters she's been given.

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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
...employers are competing with Obama's welfare state for employees...


As much as I'd like to agree, completely, it is America's welfare state. And it got that way with the help of both parties.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I make a little over $300 a week and that pays the mortgage/home insurance, electric and internet.




After taxes I'm not much more than that. When figured hourly it comes out to about $7-8/hour.

7-8 months out of the year it might even be less than minimum wage now that I think about it.


I'd be fuuckin' rich if OT was part of the deal!




And every time I drive through town, no matter what time of day....
I see groups of people in their 20-40's with a pack of kids following them around.

Their worthless lazy family takes in way more $$$ for doing nothing but irresponsibly breeding. I makes me [bleep]' sick.

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Have to say, I agree with the OP on this. I spent March 3 to May 5 unemployed, and was offered fulltime employment with benefits on June 16. During the unemployment, I had an experience that y'all might find interesting. A company that was makes 9-speed auto trannys was quad-drippling in size, and had a hiring fair. I went, got there 20 minutes after it started and found myself in a line that looked like it was from the USSR, or maybe a new ride @ Disney - I was not even anywhere near the building, out in the parking lot, and the building was the size of a school (It was a mega-church). A fair assessment was that there were 100+ peeps in front of me....and there was a second line equally as long on the other side of the building.
So I am in line, and I can hear someone talking very loud making announcements, and the line starts moving....like Disney just closed a ride.
I see a STREAM of people walking back, all half my age or less (I am 50), many using cellphones or texting. In no time flat, I find myself in the building, and the announcements start again. Turns out it is the recruiting company, and they are making the usual announcements any company would make to blue-collar workers: No shift preference, No Criminal record, Random drug testing. You may have to switch shifts with little notice. there are two 10 hour shifts for the floor, and a 8-9 hour shift for the office, depending on what is needed. Many of the ones giving up and walking away are grumbling things like "Man, dey kray-zee!", "Dat's not worth it.", "No way...."
So anyway, I am there just shy of one hour. After all the people left, I found myself in front of a recruiter, and very shortly got the info I was looking for, was able to present my resume. 2 weeks later, I started the new job, albeit a strictly temp one.

Point is, there ARE people, a portion of the younger generation, not sure how large, that I am convinced do not want to work, or such a belief of entitlement that they will not ever find any meaningful employment.


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Good workers are still out there, you're just not going to get them by paying poverty wages.


The job starts out at $12.75 (510.00), Just a tad above Fireballs $350.00.


I said "When a job brings home more than $350 a week..."
$510 after taxes is $350.

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