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Harry, with all due respect, the old theories are not "being questioned," they've been sh**-canned. Talk to any sports nutritionist and they'll tell you that.

No doubt.

Can't wait until the government builds a supplements pyramid. Then again they probably won't. Unless there are some hidden votes in there somewhere.

Mark Sisson says that body composition is 80% diet. My experience backs that up.

In 2009 I trained for a 17 mile race for four months, upping my mileage the whole time. At the time I had always heard that runners needed lots of carbs, so I was eating pasta, rice, and other carb heavy foods every day. With all that exercise I never lost a pound.

I started moving to primal/paleo eating a few months later and dropped 10-15 lbs in about three weeks. Plus my after lunch headache and foggy feeling went away.

Probably been eating this way for three years now and can tell a big difference in the way I feel and in my physical ability.

Crap food makes you feel like crap. Great food makes you feel great. Go figure.

[bleep] canned again????

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract



Aannnd another study. Gotta love studies�.

http://openheart.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000032.full

OK, guys. First of all, I'm 5-8 and weigh 168 lbs. At age 70, my doctor says I'm the healthiest person he knows in my age class. I take no oral meds for anything, etc. My resting pulse runs 53-58 depending on the day.
I've read lots of current stuff. One of them is the Wellness Letter put out by the staff of UC Berkeley's schools of medicine and science.
This letter is put out soley to counter the junk science which many are making big dollars out of the public's lack of will to eat healthy foods in the right proportions. Then there are those who want to eat lots of protein and fats simply because they like it far better than whole grains, fruits and vegetables. The diet gurus are racking in their bucks.
If that's what you want, good luck. But the fact is that those societies that base their diets on the whole grains, not meat and fat, live longer than we do in spite of the fact that we have health care that is light years ahead of theirs. E

You have to experiment and find out what works for YOU. I know vegetarians who have lived healthy lives into their 90's. Won't work for me though. I seem to be doing better eating 150 grams of carbo a day or less. This is what Sisson and diabetic diets recommend. My PT calls grains "slave food" because thats what the Romans fed their slaves. As far as protein goes I do better with fish and chix. Probably due to my hereditary hemochromatosis. For me iron=death.

You mentioned studies and two were easily found that had no bias with any commercial diet. Yet you had to throw in the insinuation they were junk science predicated on making money and the diet gurus and their commercialism were behind them.

With regards those two studies how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Here is another bit of food for thought. America exercises-according to studies-more than any other country, yet our life expectancy is down on the list. Do we exercise too much?

It's amazing to me that a guy who demands "accredited studies" can turn around and throw out an unsubstantiated personal anecdote with a sample population of one and no objective criteria and think that it means something.



In other words, with all the information out there, you chose the one source that (according to you) agrees with your opinion.




Now this is hilarious. A guy who cites the "food pyramid" put out by the USDA talking about someone making money off of nutritional advice. How much money do you think grain and dairy farmers have made as the result of the food pyramid?





So now the guy who demands "accredited studies" switches from personal anecdotes to generalities not borne out by those same studies.

First of all, longevity is one measure of health, but not the one we're talking about here. Unless those centenarians are lugging backpacks in the hills.

Second, I've read some of those studies and even the authors cannot ascribe the longevity to a single factor, much less ascribe it to increased consumption of whole grains as you want to do. Or if you think I'm wrong on that point, please provide one study that points to grains as the reason for longevity. The studies I've seen point to a variety of factors, and not all are even dietary. Other dietary factors seem to be increased consumption of fish, and increased proportions of unsaturated fats vs. saturated fats.

Just remember, that E's reading comprehension of Leupold's product literature led him to stating that they coated their scope lenses with real diamonds...

The difference in developed countries is in between 1.5 and 2.5 years. Eat your grains and you may make it to 82. On average. Then again, you may not be average�.

E is probably an OK guy. Problem is most 70 year olds loose a certain amount of flexibility, both physical and mental.

How do I know?

Any guy who's 70 and still knocking around in the mtns has got to be OK.

Battue, I didn't bother to read the studies because I read what you said they "proved." I simply responded to your comment about their conclusions. The results of studies I read are all printed monthly in the UC Berkeley Wellness Letter. I've been following that for over 15 years.
They refer to studies that are per reviewed and have repeatable results when they are carefully done under accepted principles of the medical and scientific communities. Feel free to read them yourself.
Again, you rely on junk science. It's diet that is the big difference between societies like the japanese and us. BTW, studies have found that if you take a healthy japanese citizen out of japan, and let him eat our food choices, he develops the same medical problems we have. Got that from the UC Wellness Letter too. E

Smokepole, my doctor also says my health is as much the result of good genes as anything else. OK ? But he is very happy with the way I eat. I has told me that he can't do anything for bad eating habits but write a prescription or, in some cases, perform an operation. But good eating habits avoid such problems.
I'd also point out that the Berkeley UC Wellness Letter cites literally hundreds of studies, all of which can be found and read by those interested in them. That's what they base their recommendations on. Sometimes they take the position that there isn't anything conclusive upon to make a decision based on the available studies.
I am not vegetarian. I eat meat everyday. But not nearly as much as I used to eat.
The Federal Food Guidelines doesn't just recommend more whole grains. It also recommends a much wider variety of fruits and vegetables, along with less meat/protein and fat. It recommends no sugar and reduced salt consumption.
Last of all, since being published, the grain producers and processors have not made much, if any, additional money due to the FFDG's. That's because we insist on eating what we always have and liked, not what is good for us.
In other words, the Federal Food Guidelines have been ignored by most of the public. Only those who follow the lessions of the Diet Registry or people like me follow them.
You might try looking up the Diet Registry. They are folks who found out that every time they dieted and lost the weight they didn't want, they always gained it back. Until they finally started eating, you guessed it, using the Federal Food Guidelines. E

Your doctor was wrong. Either that or he/ she has limited experience with elder patients or was just being nice.

No, it's true Battue, most doctors who have patients that are "the most healthy person they know in their age group" would advise them to change their diet. Of course they would.

According to E, diet research has uncovered nothing new since the 70s.
Health is more than the numbers the body reveals.

I could spell it out, but his mind wouldn't allow him to see the bigger picture and the docs don't have a number for that.

E, I pray when I am 70 I am able to hike in the mountains and work out. I meant no disrespect in my previous post. I do however disagree with what you believe and I think you are the kind of person who it really doesn't matter the way you eat you would still be healthy. Kind of like someone who smokes their whole life and lives to 100. The problem is the average person can't smoke and live to 100. I've seen with my own eyes way too many examples of people getting away from grains and processed crap and eating paleoish and doing tremendously better.

If you can make fitness and diet a top priority for you for the rest of your life, then paleo is a good way to go. If you have a life where it's not reasonable to do it long term, I'd suggest training yourself to eat smaller portions, and cutting out most processed foods and sugars.

And cut down starches from grains.