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Anybody shoot a 20" 1-8" 6BR with 105's?

Thinking Montucky build,contour dupe,shortened,no-turn Lapooey...hoping it would crowd 2700fps and yield THE Ultimate SLEEPER...............


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Mine was 22". If is remember correctly, I was up closer to 2780, but that was behind 30.5gr varget- a pretty stiff charge

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Oh I reckon it's probably a natural inclination,to flog on it.

Starting over,knowing what you know,how would you build the next one and what was your application for it?

I'm thinking just an all day/every day knockabout Utility Rifle,with about 35 Mils remaining on it's erector,for dialing distant zip codes.................(grin)


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Mine was essentially a halibut build, with a #3 tube. The rifle handled well, and shot like a 6br. I LOVE that chambering, and if I had a rifle that would feed those little cases reliably, it would still be in my safe. It fed pretty well, just not well for 100% confidence.

I used it for antelope, and it was a wicked performer.

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With that said, if you build one on a Montana and it ends up being reliable, I may just follow you down the path and build another.

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Figure I'll just shim the aft of the box with an aluminum spacer,shorten the follower to suit and it will assuredly feed like it has eyes...it's not even a concern.

Nothing to it..............


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If I like the chambering/blueprint as much as I anticipate,the next one will be on a Jap Varmintmaster................


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Stick,

Have you built a 6-250/6 Creed?

Would it be UBER? Is the BR gonna be more UBER'er?



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I'd be interested in the results for sure.


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The International/XC/Creed whatever you wanna call it,never has horned me up...except Improved and necked to .224".(grin)

The 6 BR appeal is due solely the superlative Lapooey brass,as I've long hated Norma. Whatever the 105's velocity is,I'll have enough erector travel in the bank to steal the show and I've seen me dope wind.

Pard recently got a High Zoot 6XC that's 28" 1-7.5" and he's raving about it. I've no doubt it does nice things,but for applying Ooooomph I'm gonna grab a Faux Ti 243AI and rock the Casbah. I'm soooooooo done with long barrels.

Hell,none of my 6-284's are greater than 23"...............


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Originally Posted by teal
I'd be interested in the results for sure.


I could see it catching on,like wildfire..............


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
The International/XC/Creed whatever you wanna call it,never has horned me up...except Improved and necked to .224".(grin)

The 6 BR appeal is due solely the superlative Lapooey brass,as I've long hated Norma. Whatever the 105's velocity is,I'll have enough erector travel in the bank to steal the show and I've seen me dope wind.

Pard recently got a High Zoot 6XC that's 28" 1-7.5" and he's raving about it. I've no doubt it does nice things,but for applying Ooooomph I'm gonna grab a Faux Ti 243AI and rock the Casbah. I'm soooooooo done with long barrels.

Hell,none of my 6-284's are greater than 23"...............


I was thinking of using Lapua brass and necking it up to 6 and just buying whatever dies Dave might recommend to go along with whatever 6-250 reamer he uses.

And I agree that few things are more better than ringing 800yd steel over and over and over before somebody asks "Did you say that's a 22-250?"

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A fast twist 6mm,can't suck.

Pard built his Dick Rifle on a Montucky,wearing a dupe/dupe Liljee 3-grooved 1-8" and it is a HAMMER. Thought real hard about burning this Montucky Donor up in that direction,but I've already got some purty good Dick Rifles...so opted the Less Is More approach to itch scratchin'.

He can reach 1500 and change on the Dicktucky and I can get well past a mile with my Original Dick.

Everyone is scrounging the last of the 30mm Signature DD's,for literally MAX latitude. I went 20MOA in eccentrics and another 50MOA in rear base shims on my Samtucky and with a 225yd 75A-Max zero,reap 42.7 Mils remaining on the erector alone.

It blows minds..................(grin)


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Haha. That's fuggin' cool.

Some might say...UBER.



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I've got alotta rifles,that have sold alotta rifles..............(grin)


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Originally Posted by Big Stick


Everyone is scrounging the last of the 30mm Signature DD's,for literally MAX latitude.

Is grim they are getting hard to find..


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Call Burris....

One member here did a 6XC on a tucky, should be sweet.

Hate reminding folks how often they overpower themselves on deer and such, as my longest deer killswas dumped at 400 yds, Amax, 28.5 Varget, 2850 muzzle, 26" Ruger #1V profile carried out. Kepplinger 8 oz set trigger, shot the smallest 3 shot group ever for me at 330 yds, UNDER 1/2 inch.

I'd go 21" on a #2 but you won't lose 15-30fps losing an inch.

If me, also consider 6mm-6.5x47 Lapooey brass wink Feed Eeze, though bore life is less. Prob push 3K, not that 200 mv diff will be 200 at LR. Either need mils, just a few diff.

Aalf might chime in on a Dasher. Might be the Uber.

Lest one on a budget, Ruger AR 243 9T, hacksaw to 20" and fix trigger with the Boxer technique. 4 Bills. Maybe do some rigging on scope ties for mils.

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Why the 6br over the 243? Mag room? less a couple hundred fps and 10 grains of powder?



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Lappoey brass he said, and a sleeper.

Me - Bore life of course, little less blast, efficient in a carbine, powder savings. Folks usually build with a purpose and something different than an OEM.

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Originally Posted by MadMooner
Why the 6br over the 243? Mag room? less a couple hundred fps and 10 grains of powder?


Sometimes less is more...
Less powder = more barrel
And any engine pushing 105s is cool






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Originally Posted by 65BR
Lappoey brass he said, and a sleeper.

Me - Bore life of course, little less blast, efficient in a carbine, powder savings. Folks usually build with a purpose and something different than an OEM.


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Lapua obviously makes fine brass in both.

Just wondering if it was solely the 10 or so less grains of powder that was steering him there.

Regardless, it'd be hard to hate anyone of a bunch of 6 mm hulls in a handy little platform.



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The 243 is known as a barrel cooker.

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Burris discontinued the 30MM Signature DD's,in their infinite "wisdom".

I just want a Dirty Duty Beater Rifle for Utility and whatever velocity it yields with 105's,I'll certainly be able to coax POA/POI intersections ala the reticle and/or erector. That's the least of my concerns and I don't even have any concerns.(grin)

Figured it'd be a PEACH for kids and newbs,while still having plenty of mustard to reach wellllllll past the 1000yd line.

Hell...might even be fun...................(grin)


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
Lapua obviously makes fine brass in both.

Just wondering if it was solely the 10 or so less grains of powder that was steering him there.

Regardless, it'd be hard to hate anyone of a bunch of 6 mm hulls in a handy little platform.



I've lotsa 243's,243AI's,6-284's yada,yada,yada...them bases is more than covered.

Just want a handy/dandy Squirt Gun of mild mannerisms,for Supreme Giggletitude.

If it sucks...I'll warn others,but I've this hunch,that ain't quite how it'll unfold.............



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I have a newish 22-inch 6 BR set up like a sporter, but it's a bolt action single shot. Brux #3 barrel, McM Rem Classic stock, Stiller Pred action.

I've been shooting 95 Sierra Matchkings so far, but I haven't chrono'd them yet.

The 6 BR Lapua brass is very good, much tighter tolerances than the 30-06 Lapua brass I've had. I think something like 99/100 cases had neck thickness variation less than 0.001 inches.

I think the Montana would be an angelic platform for a 6 BR, if it would feed reliably. My rifle, even as a single shot, doesn't extract or eject cases with authority. No biggie for me, it's a rifle intended to shoot at steel and targets, not animals. But if I think I could need feeding to work, I'm carrying my 30-06.


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My 6BR is a 26" 1-8 twist and with 30.5 gr. Varget behind 105 Amaxs it gives me 2830. I also have a load with 105 amaxs using 29.5 grs. H4895 for 2850 fps, it's as accurate as the Varget load. CCI 450's are about all you'll ever want for primers. As efficient as the case is I'd think 2700 would be easily doable out of a 20" 8 twist.

I love the 6BR, it's basically my definition of magic. Easiest round to make shoot I've ever messed with. Low blast, low recoil, accurate as all get out. It's only downside is feeding, if the montana action will feed it okay then it'll be a dandy.

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Those that have both - why the BR over XC?


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I have a 6mm Dasher with a 1-8 twisted Bartlien 5R in a Sendero #13 finished at 26.A un named powder will drive the 105g Berger hybrid at 3077fps.
A 6mm 105g Berger Hybrid at 3000+ is a wonderful thing.
This is on a fullon 1000 yard BR rifle.But its a total joy to shoot.
Thinking your fun gun in a 6BR with a 20 inch barrel will get to pretty close to 2800.We see straight up BRs on the line and they do pretty well.
To do what you want.
I'd think 6x47 Lapua.
A few more grains of powder and even the 20 incher should come alive...
Just excellent quality 6.5x47 brass....you cant get 6XC brass right now...

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I just put together a little 6x47L, and while it's accurate and useful, it's awfully close to a .243. Its capacity puts you in the 40-44 grains of 4350, 4831, N160 or similar, and heats a little sporter barrel up accordingly. I think the 6BR is more versatile as you can get impressive accuracy out of bullets weighing anywhere from 68-105 grains, efficiently, and with what's reported to be longer barrel life. I bought 2 identical Krieger barrels (in case I loved the 6x47L so much I had to have 2) and I'm chambering the 2nd in 6BR, throated for 95gr Bergers.


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Why 95's?..............


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If you get it throated just for something like a 105, (.100+) you lose some options if you wann'a shoot something like a 70 flat-base. The 95 has a short bearing surface and can work pretty well with a .060'ish throat without stuffing 'em way down in the case. That, and a 95 with 31.5 grains of Varget or RL15 just seem to work. Been a while, but last time I tried to get 107's and 105's to do anything special it just seemed like too much cement and not enough truck. Switched to the 95's, and been kind'a fond of 'em since.


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Nerf Ping Pong Balls,interest me a whole bunch less than none.

It'll be a 105 Show,start to finish................


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I've done the 6BR around the 105 Amax, McClassic, #3 @ 22". Never did impress me much from any perspective. Couldn't get expected velocity and there were no magic in the groups. Went back to the 243.

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I'm with stick on this one. Currently building my first custom. 700 action with krieger remington varmint 1-8. 6br cause I love 6mm's and it does amazing things with less powder and longer barrel life. Gonna try 105 amax, scenar, and berger. Also 95 berger. fosnaugh is putting together and should be done any day now. If it feeds like he says my model 7 will probably become a 6br light hunting rifle. Won't have to worry about mag box constraints like I do with most calibers in the 7 action. Should kill deer and other eastern creatures with ease.

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Thoughts about Berger bullets.
I shoot pant loads of Bergers.
The Hybrid bullet to me, seems, "fussy". Like a VLD bullet it needs its seating depth to be just, "so", even though they say the Hybrid was developed so that wasnt an issue...
This "fussy" seating depth stuff isnt much of a issue provided you dont shoot it much.But if your pullen the loud lever alot.As I know your prone to do.You end up chasing your seating depth as you wear it out.To keep it in its top accuracy zone.Kinda a pain in the azz depending on usage.
Enter the Berger Long Range Boat Tail.
The LRBT profile is a few points below the Hybrid in BC.And as a class of bullet if you keep it off the lands it just works.Doesnt matter in general where its at, as long as its "off".Start with it "off", and find something it likes and you will pretty much wear it out, with out messing with it.
Actually kinda nice.
Lot to lot Berger bullets can vary wildly.
If you take for granted there the same and you get into a different lot number.You will get burned.

If you do get a BR.And I could never understand why you of all people dont have more BR rounds....Your going to find that it will drill smaller groups at 500 yards than anything you currently have.

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I'd expect the Hornie 105HPBT to be the mainstay,but will squirt 'em all,if only in the interest of R&D.................


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Making wildcats is fun with guns.

On the practical side a 243 will be easier to find and get.

Also the 243 can be loaded down to near a 6BR.

Just presenting an alternative. A 243 Kimber Montana weighs just 6#,11oz. with a 4.5-14 Conquest on it. Thats what a M70 Featherweight goes without a scope!

The 243's ammo is available everywhere. You will never find 6Br loads for game anywhere.

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Wow! Thanks alot!

Does a Montana 243 look like this?

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Keep drooling...................


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Monster scope on a Montana.. Excellent choice...


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I'm afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Hint.

90gr Scenars in the 10" 'tucky at 3200,zero'd at 250,will take the windshield to 1150yds+. The erector will get to a mile and all out 2000yds. Google as you must.

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Originally Posted by Savage_99
Making wildcats is fun with guns.

On the practical side a 243 will be easier to find and get.
Do you really believe Stick is concerned whatsoever?

Also the 243 can be loaded down to near a 6BR.
Not with anything like the consistency/accuracy a 6BR can deliver.

Just presenting an alternative. A 243 Kimber Montana weighs just 6#,11oz. with a 4.5-14 Conquest on it. Thats what a M70 Featherweight goes without a scope!
I'm pretty sure Stick knows what a Montana weighs. He only owns about two dozen of them.

The 243's ammo is available everywhere. You will never find 6Br loads for game anywhere.
Once again you've missed the point. Stick doesn't care that there aren't factory 6BR game loads. He's going to build them as the point of the whole project.


Some of us actually shoot more than two rounds per rifle and declare it good. I've been through about three thousand .308" Hornady 168 gr. match bullets (not to mention other types, weights and diameters) since the beginning of the year, and Stick has probably exceeded that number of projectiles in the last month or two.

A smallish 6mm that is capable of extreme precision, is miserly in its consumption of powder and barrel steel, has lower muzzle blast, and is properly built to handle a sleek projectile that delivers downrange where it counts, is an attractive proposition to shooters who build significant round counts.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I'm afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Hint.

90gr Scenars in the 10" 'tucky at 3200,zero'd at 250,will take the windshield to 1150yds+. The erector will get to a mile and all out 2000yds. Google as you must.

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Bait dangled,awaiting more of her pearls....................(grin)


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Wishin' I'd have done a slow twist on the son's 6mm-250. But I bought that MR contour barrel 2nd hand and had smith install and clean up the chamber......i.e.: done it up CHEAP with a cut-off Ti stock!

It is a pleasure to shoot with 85 TSX. He's killed 2 does with it, but our WT around here can be kilt with a flyswatter. Now that I've gotten into the A-Max clan, I'd love to be able to fling those with it.


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Reserve RPM can only help the equation.

The International in a 2.8" box,grants alotta COAL latitude. People are in a surprising hurry to forget,that the ONLY way bullets get better,is to get longer...so it's nice to leave windows of opportunity wide open.

I'm not an SMK Fan so D-Tac's are out for me,but the 105 Herd is amazingly fantastic...............


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What about the 6mm-204 ?


Probably not enough butt to run 105's, but should cycle pretty smooth. Nosler has the brass, might be Norma's ?


Used to run a 6mmBR out of a 21" Encore. Lupua brass was super accurate out of it.
Was a little concerned about that short little case out of a bolt action....



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Not enough gas and no gain in logistics.

Feed/function will be a breeze.................


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Mathman wrote: -->"Once again you've missed the point. Stick doesn't care that there aren't factory 6BR game loads. He's going to build them as the point of the whole project."

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There may be a 6mm BR game load somewhere but you won't find then in the rural hunting country.

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I'll type slow this time.

Stick doesn't care about the lack of factory ammunition. He doesn't need to find them. He will make cartridges to suit his purpose.

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I happen to LIVE in Rural Hunting Country and I'm liking the "odds" of said rifle having available to it,more superlative ammo than you could begin to fathom.

Pretty certain,I shoot a smidge.............(hint)


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Mathman, you wrote:

Mathman wrote: -->"Once again you've missed the point. Stick doesn't care that there aren't factory 6BR game loads.

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Dumb Don,you "tell" him,because you are on FIRE!

Laughing.............


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Perhaps get "crafty" and hang some Rural Hunting Country "conquest" pics and touch on the "particulars" associated,that granted you such "magnificent" opportunity.

That'll "show" him!...........


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I'm speaking to availability, not strict existence.

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There may be a 6mm BR game load somewhere but you won't find then in the rural hunting country.

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"Schit floats,as you eloquently attest"................

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Dumb Don,my hopes are you are going through your extensive collection of stunning photography,as a magnificent Trump Card at the expense of others and really Show Case your "experience","knowledge" and "results" in all their "splendor".

It WILL be a one sided "victory"..................



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Stick,

I am disappointed that you have resorted to slurs. Such lazy talk adds little to our interest in guns and hunting.

In fact I was pleased to see you return as your photo's are excellent.

Keep in mind that I have been hunting for 60 years and have extensive shooting experience.

Your idea of writing on a cartridge case with a Sharpie pen what the load is a good idea.



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Dumb Don,

I am not suprised that your Reality cannot begin to keep pace with your Pretend.

No need to reiterate what an amazingly sloooooooooowwwwwwwww "learner" you are,as you perpetually reiterate it obliviously,by doing your "best".

Happy Imagination,to you.................


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"Stick doesn't care that there aren't factory 6BR game loads. He's going to build them as the point of the whole project."

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Dumb Don,

Is it not your saving grace,that Imagination and Pretend are priced the same as Plagiarism,so you can afford to "contribute"?

You've "learned" so "much" in your "Life"!

Congratulations?!?...............


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Number of years ago I turned a 6mm PPC into a chuck gun.
I just switched out the 65g Hollisters(BR load),for some 55g ballistic tips.
Its not by any means a light weight but out to 300 yards its total nutszoid accurate.
Turns chucks off like flippen a switch.
ie.... dont use the BR stuff on chucks.
I have often thought that your 20 incher, carry around thingie in a 6mm PPC, might be alot of fun for chuck wet work where the distances dont go much beyond 300 or so.
Its on the bucket list.


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Isn't that a discontinued item?

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Contemplated going 6PPC on a 224Wby Jap Varmintmaster,just for giggles.............


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How about a 243 wssm?

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If I want 243 performance,I'll shoot a 243.

Gotta have some GOOD reasons to go .532" and WSSM ain't close to it..............


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In 1957 I bought a new M70 Varmint rifle for use as a four position target rifle and long range chuck hunting. I loaded the 75 gr Sierra for the most part with a reduced load for the 200 yd matches.

I did well with the rifle and wanted a heavier one with a marksman's stock. Thus I ordered a 40X in 6mm Remington International with a 1-10 twist. I did very well with the rifle and over the years shot the barrel out and had a new Douglas put on with the same chamber and twist. I still have the rifle and it's ready.

The load I used was that 75 gr Sierra over a little less than 31 grs of 3031. It was very accurate yet had low recoil.

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""B" is the 250 Savage necked to 22 caliber aka the 22 Varminter or 22-250.

"D" is 6x250 with a 30 or 35 degree shoulder and is one of several similar, if not identical wildcats known by various names. Amongst us long range benchrest shooters it is like a belly button - everbody has one. You could say it is one version of the 6mm International.

"A" is the 6mm Walker International. Some call it the 6mm Remington International.



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Appreciate your taking the time to plagiarize pics of others and talk out your ass even further and reiterate on your INCREDIBLY sloooooooowwwwwwww "learning".

Thanks!......................(wow)


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Appreciate your taking the time to plagiarize pics of others and talk out your ass even further and reiterate on your INCREDIBLY sloooooooowwwwwwww "learning".

Thanks!......................(wow)


That's quite rude Big Stick and out of line. I was just showing how both of us have used smaller 6mm's well. Please stop that behavior.





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Dumb Don,

Lying and Plagiarism is rude,but there's not much else you can do...besides drool and schit your pants.

Congratulations?!?..............


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Big Stick,

You are ruining a good discussion of guns and rifles by name calling.

I intend to behave as a gentleman and to participate in this forum with my experiences.

The picture I posted is from the net where it seems to be public.

Here is the site where I found that picture International Ammunition Association



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This topic drifted to a point that a smaller 6mm cartridge is enough for some.

I gave my experiences with one.


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Dumb Don,

I am SHOCKED that picture,isn't your's. Are you going to "tell" me next,nor is the one of the 6BR ammo? SHOCKING stuff!

You intend to talk out your ass,in regards to the things you "know" the LEAST about...mainly because it's as close as you can come and Pretend "works" well for your needs.

As an aside,you are doing "great"..................


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Big Stick,

Your posts tonight have become useless and are killing our enjoyment of our sport.

I am putting you back on ignore.

Please stop it.



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Stick is looking at 1,000 yards. To bad there isn't a A-max in .257



.250 Savage is perfect for "Light done right".

Inside 500 steps....

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Dumb Don,

Here's wishing you THE best of luck on your Imaginary Pretend Ignore and the sweet "satisfactions" that must be your's,to create such a fabricated figment as a Trump Card.

As an aside,the drool is unbecoming.....................(hint)


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Chrome,

I hear good things about 75A-Max at 3500fps via 22-250AI.............


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Originally Posted by Savage_99
Big Stick,

Your posts tonight have become useless and are killing our enjoyment of our sport.

I am putting you back on ignore.

Please stop it.



There are tons of members now checking this thread to see what one must do for you to put them on ignore. TONS!



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She should sell it for 20 bucks a pop.

Laffin'!..............


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Would be Breaking Bad levels of cash if he were to figure that one out.



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GOLD Mine!.............


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Dumb Don musta run outta Pretend for a smidge?

Was looking forward to more Retardation.

Wheels up...adieu bitches..............


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A 6BR will pass a 250-3K long before 500 yds, and use less powder. A 250-3000 done right is a 6.5 Savage AI. AKA Creedmoor

Or the new 6CM, if spun right.

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According to the 24hourcampfire bylaws.


It states:
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Never disparage, asperse, condemn or criticize the .250 Savage aka .250-3000.



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smile I do appreciate the virtues, do not get me wrong.

Anything sandwiched between 6-7mm in a BR > 308 sized case, cannot be a bad thing, with good bullets, in an accurate well built rifle.

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So what's the ETA on this LDR?

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I'm flipping my work schedule around,so as to yield The November To Remember...but will sluice a Big Buck with it.

Will have a blank and barrel to trace at The Plumber's,so will only need to get home box it up and ship it out. I generally don't have to wait more than a day or two on a build.................


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
I'm flipping my work schedule around,so as to yield The November To Remember...but will sluice a Big Buck with it.

Will have a blank and barrel to trace at The Plumber's,so will only need to get home box it up and ship it out. I generally don't have to wait more than a day or two on a build.................


I like the concept a lot and I'm definitely interested in seeing the finished product.


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Dies/brass oughtta beat me home..................


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What dies did you choose?

I assume the brass choice begins with L and ends with apua.

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I built a 6XC on my Montana. Figure that case and the Montana mag box are a match made in heaven.

Mine has a Broughton 1:7.3" twist barrel, contour matches the factory barrel through the shank, but tapered to .6" at 24". It's topped with a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 with Zero Stop in Nightforce Ultralight rings on top of a Talley 20MOA base. Weighs 7lbs on the nose (minus the bipod). Eddie Fosnaugh did the cerakote.

I did have Eddie slap one of Karl's shifters on there which I really like. Need to get a picture of it.

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Originally Posted by joelkdouglas
What dies did you choose?

I assume the brass choice begins with L and ends with apua.



Redding Comp Bushing and 10-4.................


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I hope to find some more Signature DD 30mm's,to house a 6x MQ FF.
40+ Mils of erector,the other side of a 200yd zero,would be nice..................


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Got home from work today and it was awaiting my arrival. The 105'Max kisses square at 2.320" and they make 2675fps easily. Shots #6,7 and 8 out of the virgin spout touched at 100yds and that was good enough for load development.

.0025" constriction is doing nice things.

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2.320" kiss.

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20MOA rail is nice for ring spacing...though it only leaves 23.7 Mils from a 200yd zero. The windshield will reach 1000yds easily and all out a mile is a breeze. A 75MOA rail would be nice.

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Will whistle 50rds through it tomorrow to see WTF at 1000 and beyond.

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The 20.3" contour dupe handles nicely and there's promise in the parcel. I reckon Critters will be giddy to pose with it.

Will paint it,after it's scratched up enough for it to adhere...which'll be no later than noon tomorrow...........(grin)





A Rabid addendum:

I'll Steel Wool wool moly away for COAL pics,as it seems to connect more dots for folks. The moly rounds are live.

Decided to load an extry 50rds this morning and perhaps shim the box,so it is more fitting of the modest COAL.

Pre-Rut this pass,gearing up for the 3wks of The November To Remember. Time to be Calling/Rattling now and keeping one's nose in the wind. Can see myself getting sidetracked,dredging Chrome,as it is ON.

Have a few more DBM's to install and some Kenworth shifters to screw on too.

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And shim some more glass,so as to eek more erector travel.

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Have a coupla more FF glass enroute,so it's gonna be a busy R&R...just like always................(grin)











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Thought you were sick there for a minute and shooting nekkid boolits!

See the dummy rds are molyed.

I believe that dog will hunt.

Are you hitting the rut on this pass through or next?

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Where did the 20MOA rail for the Montana come from?


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Where did the 20MOA rail for the Montana come from?


I could be wrong, but it looks like an EGW HD
http://www.opticsplanet.com/evolution-gun-works-hd-kimber.html

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Originally Posted by clark98ut
I built a 6XC on my Montana. Figure that case and the Montana mag box are a match made in heaven.

Mine has a Broughton 1:7.3" twist barrel, contour matches the factory barrel through the shank, but tapered to .6" at 24". It's topped with a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 with Zero Stop in Nightforce Ultralight rings on top of a Talley 20MOA base. Weighs 7lbs on the nose (minus the bipod). Eddie Fosnaugh did the cerakote.

I did have Eddie slap one of Karl's shifters on there which I really like. Need to get a picture of it.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Got home from work today and it was awaiting my arrival. The 105'Max kisses square at 2.320" and they make 2675fps easily. Shots #6,7 and 8 out of the virgin spout touched at 100yds and that was good enough for load development.

.0025" constriction is doing nice things.

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2.320" kiss.

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20MOA rail is nice for ring spacing...though it only leaves 23.7 Mils from a 200yd zero. The windshield will reach 1000yds easily and all out a mile is a breeze. A 75MOA rail would be nice.

[Linked Image]
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Will whistle 50rds through it tomorrow to see WTF at 1000 and beyond.

[Linked Image]

The 20.3" contour dupe handles nicely and there's promise in the parcel. I reckon Critters will be giddy to pose with it.

Will paint it,after it's scratched up enough for it to adhere...which'll be no later than noon tomorrow...........(grin)





A Rabid addendum:

I'll Steel Wool wool moly away for COAL pics,as it seems to connect more dots for folks. The moly rounds are live.

Decided to load an extry 50rds this morning and perhaps shim the box,so it is more fitting of the modest COAL.

Pre-Rut this pass,gearing up for the 3wks of The November To Remember. Time to be Calling/Rattling now and keeping one's nose in the wind. Can see myself getting sidetracked,dredging Chrome,as it is ON.

Have a few more DBM's to install and some Kenworth shifters to screw on too.

[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/913/kGtQk7.jpg[/img]
[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/673/aBUsL6.jpg[/img]

And shim some more glass,so as to eek more erector travel.

[img]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/912/e3BOpY.jpg[/img]

Have a coupla more FF glass enroute,so it's gonna be a busy R&R...just like always................(grin)












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thanks Steve.

In Tacoma this weekend for Guard. Know a good place to look for used Montanas?


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What scopes are those BS?


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Will whistle 50rds through it tomorrow to see WTF at 1000 and beyond.

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Good job on producing an absolute clusterphuck.

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thanks Steve.

In Tacoma this weekend for Guard. Know a good place to look for used Montanas?


I make the rounds fairly regular and don't recall seeing one in the used rack recently. Welchers has a couple NIB.

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What scopes are those BS?


That's one of the SWFA Super Sniper scopes. Not sure if it's the 6x or 10x, but I think he said 6x.

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Where did the 20MOA rail for the Montana come from?


I could be wrong, but it looks like an EGW HD
http://www.opticsplanet.com/evolution-gun-works-hd-kimber.html


Stick posted elsewhere that is an EGW. Talley also makes a 20MOA rail for the Kimbers.

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I've shot this rig and it's slicker than greased moose poop.


About to get slicker real soon...2.5-10x42 Nightforce will be here next week. grin

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Kchuntfest 2014 continues and Prairie Fairy is cupping her wings and swooping in for the "Win". Laffin'! 'Course she's powerless in the refrain of waxing eloquent in "doing" almost as "much" as Jeff-O and Savage99 and mebbe with luck,she'll regale even further with more of her splendid pics. Re-laffin'!

Might this be a Window Licking Continuation of the "dreaded" Rifle Tip Over Chronicles?!? Let's pfhuqqing hope! UBER funny groundworks,being cemented in place. Laffin'!

Perhaps take a TV Timeout and mention what someone as pfuqqing STUPID as you,"does" for a "Living". Feel free to use as much Imagination and Pretend that it takes,to spruce the delusions right the pfhuqq up. Laffin'!

Now as The Tip Over Theorum goes,do thing become more "perilous" as center of gravity swings in huge changes,due barrel length and paint thickness? Hoping to hear your fascinating version of "knowledge","experience" and "results",as you feverishly flog the couch and rack up hours on your static kchunt. Laffin'!

I could only muse in the first hand,that things are well beyond Skookum when talking like contours and skewing things from 20,21 and 22-inches of spout length. PLEASE weigh in with more of your "findings". Laffin'!

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As per always,it's never not a treat to be gifted with your FASCINATING inside firsthand look at Retardation and "all" the "satisfactions" it garners. Congratulations?!?

Prolly a REAL good pfhuqqing time for you to start taking notes.

Hint.

Laffin'!

Thank me later.

WOW+P+!!!










David,

Rail is in fact a 20MOA EGW,just like the one in the picture(s).(grin)

I'd prefer not to rail,but I slicked up all the 30mm DD Signatures on the Planet and it is,what it is. It would have reached the 2000yd line with the incorporation of another 20 Mils of erector travel,but will do nice thangs as it sets.

Blowed like Prairie Fairy yesterday and only had it out to the 850yd line. It was a right proper Hissy Fit,taking the neighbor's roof away and tumble weeding my NuCanoe into a rather impressive javelin.

Funny schit!

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A guy stopped to turn his truck around,right on the shore of The Milford yesterday late afternoon and the gentle breeze blew his canopy offa his truck and I reckon it's still going.(grin)

In a perfect World I'd have reversible front DD's and 30mm DD Signatures aboard all,so as to bask ring spacing and erector travel...but will make do.

The "concessions" one makes in the interest of R&D.(grin)










'9s,

Optics Planet were the source and I trade there a smidge and have never been gypped.











'Photog,

It's a right proper SLEEPER,which were of course the premise. Wingmen are already gonna build of similar suit,after only a day of shooting.

Little bastard is a pfhuqqing PEACH.

Shimmed the box with a .250" aluminum plate an shortened a milld 700 .473" follower to Swiss Watch 'er guts.

Fastener location and type rate a thunk,to keep things away from the fire control unit and inlet both.

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Did relieve for the shim,after a crunch mock assembly to "blueprint" malady,while Starting At The Pfhuqqing Start.

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Gots m a hunch,that I'm onto sumptin'.(grin)

It'll be Famous,in nooooooooo time.









'338win,

More Fixed Fuqkers.

Worked out right,in that the rifle was awaiting me at the house,as was the glass(6X MQ),then despite the weather (2) more arrived yesterday afternoon(another 6X MD and a 16X MQ for the BMFOTP.

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Poked the 6X MD on a 7-08AI wearing DBM and AICS mags. Will cool heels this AM,swill coffee and inlet/bed/paint it.

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Have 'em in 6,10,12 and 16x with 20 specimens total and need a few dozen more,to thoroughly scratch the itch. Pards have a few too and of the 50 or so going,noone is less than ecstatic....with the Montucky Tip Over being held in especially high esteem,though only in 2223,2223AI,22-250AI,243,243AI,7-08,308,7 Whizzum,300Whizzum and 280AI chamberings. Nothing over 24",of course.

If you listen close....you'll be able to hear The Paper Hat Brigade whining in pfhuqqing unison,at the very mention of such facts. Laffin'!

FUNNY schit!










'Mooner,

One has gotta keep their nose in the wind and I've loooooonnnnngggggggggg been in the bidness of buying used Montuckies that "don't shoot".

They's the rarest of gems.(grin)

Needing a .473" L/A for a 23" 6-06 next,in a 3-grooved 8" twist dupe.

Might even poke one of them Tip Over scopes atop it.

Laffin'!










'98,

Only have 6X's on all of my Montuckies.

Hell...them sparse X's ain't even pfhuqqing "fair"....nor close.(grin)

If I get some weather,I'll roll some video for The Window Lickers to mull and touch a smidge more,on the "horrors" of Tip Over.

I'm crying I'm laughing soooooooooooo pfhuqqing hard!

WHERE do these CLUELESS Kchunts come from?!?

Just soooooooooo WOW +P++++.











(Addendum for more of Prairie Fairy's insecurities)

Sweetheart,

I ain't much fun to try and keep pace with and you can only do the "best" you can "do". Bless your heart.

You ALMOST said something about The Rifle,but went to FULL Pfhuqqing Whine Mode instead and you'll pardon my feigning my "surprise",as you dig deep in the reserves of all the things you almost did,all the wares you nearly did 'em with and all the places you pfhuqqing near did 'em. Laffin'!

Perspective and facts are often intellesting and I enjoy watching Reality collide with you Drooling Dumbphfuqqer's Fantasy(ies).

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Keep plagiarizing,you are really doing "great".

Laffin'!

Perhaps give thought to going FULL Secret Squirrel and again honking on your Rape Whistle,so as to summons the Do Nothing Brigade and you testy gals can go for the jugular,with "all" your faculties bolted together and REALLY make a "stand".

You poor poor CLUELESS Kchunt.

Just ohhhh sooooooooo....WOW.

Laffin'!


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Looks like this guy has been using the Big Schtick technique on his car.

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Here is my slow twist 6BR. Accurate fun little gun.
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It shoots pretty good with a re-contoured Keriger BR barrel.
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Originally Posted by prairie_goat
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Looks like this guy has been using the Big Schtick technique on his car.

Here`s the original Big Stick RV/Scooby Van with BS himself back in the days when he could barely make it out the tops of his boots. Somethings never change.

Too bad I'll have to wait 48 hrs for the hook to set ...... Laffin'

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SuperKchunt,

"Congratulations" upon the SWEET "satisfactions" that must be your's,in being "lucky" enough to have more of my pictures in your Photobucket Account,than you do of yourself. Laffin'!

Ain't it a right proper Dichotomy,that your entire "Life" is a fruitless ruse and that "living" vicariously,is as close as you will EVER get?!? Bless your heart. Laffin'!

You'll pardon my adding more Factoids to your glaring insecurities and in no particular order,than chronological.

(1) Puberty were especially kind to me and you need look no further than your Cock Gawking Fascinations to confirm same. Laffin'!

2) I also "suffered" the "rigors" associated with winning the Nat'l Championship due my Athletic Excellence. Rest assured,you wanna be me in the crunch. Laffin'!

3) I was "fraught" with knocking the bottom out of The Prom Queen and being crowned Prom King,despite my rough edges. Laffin'!

PS...I Married The Boner Of The Month. Hint. Re-laffin'!

4) I shot more in my teenage years than you've "managed" in your "whole" pathetic "Life". Laffin'!

If only to substantiate your Insecurities...and as a starter. Laffin'!

Now for your Cock Gawkedness,I'll toss you a cookie and you can feel free to use as much Imagination and Pretend that you can muster,to coax yourself into "believing" you don't already have the pic loaded in "your" account. Laffin'!

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Never have seen a dog,thanks for your uncanny "experience","knowledge" and "results",as the byproduct of your "hard charging" ways. Laffin'!

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Too bad that The World will have to wait on your Reincarnation,so you can "contribute" in the firsthand.

Laffin'!

You Drooling Clueless Dumbpfhuqqs are a hoot!


As an aside the 7-08AI is doing nice thangs. Hint.

From a 225yd zero,the erector will reach the 1800yd line and the windshield bonus,will squarely carry the parcel into "Long Range". Laffin'!

Re-17 shines brightly,2850fps with 162's is a breeze and increased COAL latitude with (5) formed pokes in the belly,do not suck. Hint.

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'Course it's in The Paint Shop currently. Hint.

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GREAT talk.

You poor poor STUPID Pfhuqq!

Wow+P+.


Oooooopsssssss,if only as an aside...money DO grow on trees.

Laffin'!









Addendum:

'6,

THANKS...never even pfhuqqing heard of it!

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Laffin'!










'Kchunt,

You're doing "great"!

Laffin'!

Looking forward to seeing more of my pictures,in "your" Album.

Laffin'!

At least Imagination and Pretend are priced in accordance to your means,so you can "contribute".

Bless your heart.

Pretend ain't real...despite your feverish attempts to Imagine same.

Hint.


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BS Try some 17 in the BR with the 105 and report back hint

Pack it in rehint

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Can believe you wasted your 1 per 48hr post like that. Pathetic, really! Hard being short, isn't it?

See you in two days or less depending on which one of your alter egos posts first ...... Laffin'

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
...except Improved and necked to .224". grin



Now yer talkin'!


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Jury is still out.

Laughing................

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Love those red headed bucks you guys have up there. May have to go up and shoot one of them one day here.

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Those are three dandies!

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And so Nov begins. Nice bucks stick.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Jury is still out.

Laughing................

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RAR? What cal?


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Wow! Great bucks Stick.

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Bunch of nice bucks there.


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And I thought it was a T3! Lol.

Guessing a 243 8t.

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I'm thinking his RAR is a .223 IIRC

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Originally Posted by David_Walter
thanks Steve.

In Tacoma this weekend for Guard. Know a good place to look for used Montanas?


I make the rounds fairly regular and don't recall seeing one in the used rack recently. Welchers has a couple NIB.

Shoot me a PM if you'd like to grab lunch or a beer.


Cabelas in Lacey. 84M Montana in 243.


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THE Baby BR continues to crush Fantasy and reliably arrange stellar Realities.

WARNING!!!: Do Nothing Drooling Dumbfhuqks will do well now...to scroll away.

Laughing!

The EGW rail was trite,for stuffing the belly and got The Massage. Initially radiused it,so as to be more digit friendly,but it weren't enough of The Right Stuff.

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Have flogged on 'er purty good and the only thing it'll do,is DAZZLE. Near/far,in between...it don't make a fhuqk!

It retains 23.5 Mils on the erector,from it's 200yd zero(which will get to the 1500yd line from the shores of The Milford,leaving 10 Mils on the windshield as cushion) and that'll do some seriously nice thangs with a 105 A-Max at 2700fps+. Am really grooving on LeverEvolution in it and a herd of 223AI's as well. ES is nothing,as is SD and it's gotta be seen,to be believed in regards to it's Precision.

It'll happily Cast(this morning).

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And Blast(coupla days ago). Single poke at 208yds,via 105 A-Max,most of which exited...though their were shards on the offside shoulder's hide.

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Wingman's Montucky tipped over at the same time,due the Imaginary Prairie Goat Fhuqk. LUCKILY,they landed sunny side up!

Laughing!

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Can see this one getting Famous too.....................(grin)






























(Addendum: The Dude was Trout Wrasslin' this AM)

It's mettle,has the metal,to whether the weather and few know....witch is which.

Laughing!.......................



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Awesome bear Stick. Looks old.


Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!

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Was the bear named Buck? He did get "removed." grin

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Stick keeps stackin em up

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Impossible.... I read right here on the 'Fire that AMaxes were pieces of schit.....Laffin...


That's a UBER bear Stick...

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Stunt shooter.

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Nice pumpkin head on that bruin.

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Originally Posted by FOsteology
Nice pumpkin head on that bruin.


Sure does! Big feet, too!




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Amax works MO better in short rounds in short barrels wink
Ran my first 6BR in '96. Not sure why it took so long to be discovered.

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I'm always amazed at Big Stick/Boxer's use of Butler Creek scope caps.

As hard as he is on gear and his insistence to use nothing but the best...I've learned a lot off him but I have not had those caps last longer than a morning hunt, even when they are not flipped up.



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I'm always amazed at Big Stick/Boxer's use of Butler Creek scope caps.

As hard as he is on gear and his insistence to use nothing but the best...I've learned a lot off him but I have not had those caps last longer than a morning hunt, even when they are not flipped up.


Your experience with Butler Creek is like my experience with Burris scopes. It must be a genetic thing.


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Maybe his caps are the older, better made ones?

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I know that if someone made a Alumina knock off at half the price, I'd be buying. 100 bones is steep, but leupold has a great product. I wish other manufacturers would thread the inside of the eye and objective for screw in lens caps.

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