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I think "ocular" is the "objective" of discourse here....
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I think "ocular" is the "objective" of discourse here.... Exactly. Which has nothing to do with 56mm vs. 40mm mentioned earlier.
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You'll need a chalkboard and an abacus to get it through...
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt.
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift.
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You'll need a chalkboard and an abacus to get it through... Hey Gator lover GFY
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift. THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt. The force is strong with this one....
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift. Like I said before most Quality Euro BIG Objective Scopes have big oculars needing either a higher ring height or a lower bolt lift. You can usually get a more useable sight picture with a lower bolt lift. Contact Talley Rings if you dispute that.
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Never had a problem with either type.
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Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt. The force is strong with this one.... STick to what you know which is minimal
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Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question?
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Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt?
THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable.
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Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt?
THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable. My argument is there is a very valid reason for rifles with short bolt lifts. I pointed them out. Done with this discussion
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Never had a bolt hit the scope, no matter how it was mounted. Winchester, Ruger, Remington rifles.
I assume there's a dumbassed way to do it so they would hit, just that my brain doesn't have a low enough gear to come across that as a viable mounting option.
I also cycle my action cup and ball, I don't grip the bolt like I'm holding onto a stick, it simply pivots around in the palm/,meat of my hand.
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Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt?
THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable. My argument is there is a very valid reason for rifles with short bolt lifts. I pointed them out. Done with this discussion Yea, short bolt lifts help when you have a 56mm objective. [bleep] this place is funny
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Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... ![[Linked Image]](http://www.awesomeoff.com/images/entries/mainview/velcro-sneakers.jpg)
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I feel like a pariah with my MkV 30-06.
The weatherby snobs shun me cause its not a magnum.
Most everyone else because its a MkV.
The rest because its left handed.
It's a good thing it shoots. (But I did have to take off the speed bump and bed it. Temperamental thing.)
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IIRC some Mark Vs in .30-06 can be worth a TON of money�..
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yeah, I'm all about future value....  The biggest reason I got it was the deal at the time (it didn't have a bolt, and was unfired. I think it was made when I graduated high school or before.) And it was left handed. Pure luck that the WBY factory had a left hand 9 lug 473 LA bolt lying around to toss in there - for basically labor charges only. Seems they didn't really need it stinking up the shelves.
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