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For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard #9107731 08/18/14 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,139 TN R rusty75 OP Campfire Regular OP rusty75 Campfire Regular R Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,139 TN Locally I can pick up a vanguard 2 synthetic or mark v synthetic, both in 300 wby for $499. Which is the better gun at same price point? Both are 24" barrel. Thanks

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard rusty75 #9107808 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,688 Subtropicalabama B Bama_Rick Campfire Regular Bama_Rick Campfire Regular B Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,688 Subtropicalabama Mk V, no question. Get it.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Bama_Rick #9107815 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Wow...THAT is funny! 2-lugs trump 9...................(hint) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Big Stick #9108008 08/18/14 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Another vote for the Vanguard. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard ingwe #9108138 08/18/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA Mark V.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard ingwe #9108139 08/18/14 Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,705 NSW Australia bobnob17 Campfire Regular bobnob17 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,705 NSW Australia You could flip the MkV and make a few bob, in this part of the world anyway.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard bobnob17 #9108156 08/18/14 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky Use the proceeds to buy a decent rifle, Vanguard, and pocket the rest! "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard bobnob17 #9108157 08/18/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by bobnob17 You could flip the MkV and make a few bob, in this part of the world anyway. This part of the world as well, that fact seems to be lost on a few.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard ingwe #9108247 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,102 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,102 Texas I would say that depends on you and your plans for the rifle. If by even money you're talking $900 plus, I'd get the Mark V. You can sell the Mark V and get your investment back. Not so if you spend $900 on the Vanguard If you're wanting pride of ownership (fluff according to some) go for the Mark IV. If you're talking $600 I'd say get the Mark V cause you can use it and then sell it and pocket two, three or more Benjamins. If you're wanting to get "Attaboys" from Big Stick, or worried about 9 lugs get the Vangaurd. LOL However in the real world, I've found it much easier to sneak up on a vanguard for +/- 5 benjamins than a Mark V. and with a fair trigger and out of the box accuracy with factory ammo............. the Vanguards are hard not to like....... Best, GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard rusty75 #9108376 08/18/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma Buy the MK-5 then sell it and go buy a Vanguard and a good piece of glass. Trump Won!

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9108394 08/18/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma sorry, should have read the whole thread. Trump Won!

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9108406 08/18/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA A Mark V is always worth more than a Vanguard. It's the better buy. I could care less how many locking lugs one has vs. another. I like getting deals. Any of us can get a Vanguard for $500.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard moosemike #9108424 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska The VG is a superior mechanical design. I'm always happy to let them who do the least,get the "best" deal on a piece of schit. Funny how it works................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Big Stick #9108466 08/18/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9108626 08/18/14 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,601 Ala-Freaking Bama! via Texas H hh4whiskey Campfire Tracker hh4whiskey Campfire Tracker H Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,601 Ala-Freaking Bama! via Texas A ton of times, I've snapped up the deal on a gun that I didn't really want/like, just because I knew I could roll it into what I did want, and maybe come out ahead on glass, $, etc. I'd keep the VG, but I'd grab that V, roll it into any of several other bolt guns AND glass, or just roll the extra $. The catch is that Vs are often in goofass Roy chamberings, that devalue them for trade/sale. Just know what you're getting, or grab the VG and shoot. Just my worthless nickel. Not to presume, but if it's for hunting TN, then 300 Weatherby wouldn't turn my head, for either of them. Last edited by hh4whiskey; 08/18/14.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109194 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,732 Memphis, TN C cotis Campfire Regular cotis Campfire Regular C Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,732 Memphis, TN Originally Posted by smokepole Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. the "problem" is a 90 degree bolt throw, nine lugs being the proper solution. Welcome to TN - patron state of shootin’ stuff

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard cotis #9109387 08/18/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 813 Harrisburg, IL minengr Campfire Regular minengr Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 813 Harrisburg, IL I've got a German Mark V, that I'd happily sell for $900. Just sayin.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard geedubya #9109420 08/18/14 Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,705 NSW Australia bobnob17 Campfire Regular bobnob17 Campfire Regular Joined: May 2012 Posts: 1,705 NSW Australia Does he even give out anything as generous as an "attaboy"? Does "Congratulations?"count?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard bobnob17 #9109463 08/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Vanguard without a question. Gotta laugh at those that say get the MKV and trip it for more since it will always be worth more. Not to me nor many I know. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9109471 08/19/14 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by gunner500 Buy the MK-5 then sell it and go buy a Vanguard and a good piece of glass. This. PT Barnum always did love PA and TN; you'll have no problem finding a pigeon... Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9109577 08/19/14 Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,414 Dutch Hill setch Campfire Regular setch Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,414 Dutch Hill I'd be careful about buying a MkV and trying to flip it for a few extra. I've had 2 Mk Vs and struggled to sell them for what I I should have been able to get for them. I eventually made a few dollars on them, but at that point it became more about unloading the gun and getting my original investment back. Admittedly, the caliber will play into the resale and as you are looking at a 300 bee, you may have better luck than I did. If you buy the MkV to flip it, do your homework first. Last edited by setch; 08/19/14.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard setch #9109596 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA I'd buy the Mark V and keep it. I only wish I could find a Mark V for that money. If it was in .257 I'd be downright jealous.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9109624 08/19/14 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,628 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,628 Midwest Originally Posted by Steelhead Vanguard without a question. Yep, pretty much my sentiment too. For me though, no matter how good the deal, it means I'll be dropping another 600 smackers to to get into a quality, ergo-friendly, non-Weatherby-synthetic stock. WWP53D

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard cotis #9109813 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by cotis Originally Posted by smokepole Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. the "problem" is a 90 degree bolt throw, nine lugs being the proper solution. Yeah, it's caught on like wildfire, I hear Remington, Winchester, and Ruger are not far behind. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109852 08/19/14 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC hillbillybear Campfire Ranger hillbillybear Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 27,692 Western NC I'd take the Vanguard. Member: Clan of the Turdlike People. Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers �If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109896 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by cotis Originally Posted by smokepole Nine lugs is a "solution" in search of a problem. the "problem" is a 90 degree bolt throw, nine lugs being the proper solution. Yeah, it's caught on like wildfire, I hear Remington, Winchester, and Ruger are not far behind. Remington can't even build a quality 2 lug gun, You can't investment cast a Weatherby action and Winchester won't deviate from the upside down Feeding CRF's...3 lug actions or modified 3X lug actions like the Weatherby are more popular then ever.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard hillbillybear #9109901 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by hillbillybear I'd take the Vanguard. Ihave a few of each in my gunsafe, in a fire sale the vanguards would be the first out the door

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard setch #9109905 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by setch I'd be careful about buying a MkV and trying to flip it for a few extra. I've had 2 Mk Vs and struggled to sell them for what I I should have been able to get for them. I eventually made a few dollars on them, but at that point it became more about unloading the gun and getting my original investment back. Admittedly, the caliber will play into the resale and as you are looking at a 300 bee, you may have better luck than I did. If you buy the MkV to flip it, do your homework first. Never ever had a problem flipping a Mark V and if I ran across a 500 dollar Mark V it would not even be a question of it or a vanguard.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9109926 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. Last edited by smokepole; 08/19/14. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109930 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. You know what I mean they are stuck with 2 lug bolts and won't spend money designing anything new except euro trash shotguns

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9109933 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9109950 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed Re-open the case counselor, I said "custom rifle builder." Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9110007 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Winchester won't deviate from CRPF? Damn, I'd best unload the push feed model 70 before people get wind it's a counterfeit. 3-lug actions more popular than ever? What, did they capture 2% of the market now? Name a custom rifle builder who uses them. RUger American ...case closed Re-open the case counselor, I said "custom rifle builder." Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? Cooper,Sako,Weatherby and a few others thrown in are all 3 lug. I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions so it is a moot point. Yes I can mount 50mm-56mm scopes in low rings on a Tikka, Sako or Weatherby whitetail deer rifle but I have to use medium or high rings on a Remington,Ruger or Winchester. I know since you live out West it is not a problem since the most you use is a 40. .

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110013 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 What does the front end of the scope have to do with it?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110015 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. The reason I mentioned custom rifle builders is, they have their pick and can use any action they want, including their own. They also need to turn out an accurate, high-quality product or they go out of business. Telling that they all use 2 lugs and sell their rifles for top dollar. Last edited by smokepole; 08/19/14. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110053 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman What does the front end of the scope have to do with it? ring height? The ocular on most EUro rifles is larger as well.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9110055 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. 10000 Ruger Americans will be sold for every custom rifle ...

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110059 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 But you're talking about clearance from the bolt handle, right?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110061 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman But you're talking about clearance from the bolt handle, right? ring height? The ocular on most EUro scopes is larger as well. Last edited by Oldelkhunter; 08/19/14. Reason: scopes not rifles

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110066 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 Which has nothing to do with the objective.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110073 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida I think "ocular" is the "objective" of discourse here.... A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9110076 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 Originally Posted by jorgeI I think "ocular" is the "objective" of discourse here.... Exactly. Which has nothing to do with 56mm vs. 40mm mentioned earlier.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110080 08/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 You'll need a chalkboard and an abacus to get it through... "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110087 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110094 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110099 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by Steelhead You'll need a chalkboard and an abacus to get it through... Hey Gator lover GFY

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110106 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift. Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110108 08/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt. The force is strong with this one.... "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110117 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? I understood a long time ago, having used a variety of scopes and rifles. The objective diameter has nothing to do with bolt lift. Like I said before most Quality Euro BIG Objective Scopes have big oculars needing either a higher ring height or a lower bolt lift. You can usually get a more useable sight picture with a lower bolt lift. Contact Talley Rings if you dispute that.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110119 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 Never had a problem with either type.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110122 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by Steelhead Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Which has nothing to do with the objective. But has everything to do with a low lift bolt vs a high lift bolt on a scope with Big Objective and Big Ocular.. Do you now understand? Even with a smaller ocular and a larger objective you still have more room working the bolt. The force is strong with this one.... STick to what you know which is minimal

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110123 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110147 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 M mathman Campfire 'Bwana mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,805 Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9110206 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable. My argument is there is a very valid reason for rifles with short bolt lifts. I pointed them out. Done with this discussion

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110267 08/19/14 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 38,858 Flyover Country Teal Campfire 'Bwana Teal Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 38,858 Flyover Country Never had a bolt hit the scope, no matter how it was mounted. Winchester, Ruger, Remington rifles. I assume there's a dumbassed way to do it so they would hit, just that my brain doesn't have a low enough gear to come across that as a viable mounting option. I also cycle my action cup and ball, I don't grip the bolt like I'm holding onto a stick, it simply pivots around in the palm/,meat of my hand. Me

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110321 08/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable. My argument is there is a very valid reason for rifles with short bolt lifts. I pointed them out. Done with this discussion Yea, short bolt lifts help when you have a 56mm objective. [bleep] this place is funny "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110328 08/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110345 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State I feel like a pariah with my MkV 30-06. The weatherby snobs shun me cause its not a magnum. Most everyone else because its a MkV. The rest because its left handed. It's a good thing it shoots. (But I did have to take off the speed bump and bed it. Temperamental thing.)

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard RWE #9110347 08/19/14 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky ingwe Campfire Oracle ingwe Campfire Oracle Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 78,300 Southwestern Montucky IIRC some Mark Vs in .30-06 can be worth a TON of money�.. "...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard ingwe #9110368 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State RWE Campfire Ranger RWE Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 26,524 Old North State yeah, I'm all about future value.... The biggest reason I got it was the deal at the time (it didn't have a bolt, and was unfired. I think it was made when I graduated high school or before.) And it was left handed. Pure luck that the WBY factory had a left hand 9 lug 473 LA bolt lying around to toss in there - for basically labor charges only. Seems they didn't really need it stinking up the shelves.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard ingwe #9110369 08/19/14 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,594 North VA A AH64guy Campfire Tracker AH64guy Campfire Tracker A Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,594 North VA Agreed, depends on the Mark V, age, location of build, condition, condition, condition... With hunting season approaching, there's bound to be an elk hunter in search of a caliber problem surfing the web for the "ideal" uber shooter. Pretty the factory accuracy garentee is the same for both rifles. I like the Mark V, but either one would do. Mark Vs "usually" hold better value over time. Last edited by AH64guy; 08/19/14.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110370 08/19/14 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,032 N n8dawg6 Campfire Tracker n8dawg6 Campfire Tracker N Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,032 Originally Posted by Steelhead Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... don't be dissin them kicks now, I'd pimp those anywhere. not that it's relative to anything, but I've got a Steyr PH with the short(er) 70 deg "SBS" bolt throw. using a 2-7x leupold (bout the smallest ocular in existence), I have to use medium warnes to get the bolt to clear the ocular, due the shape of the handle. so yeah, as far as I can tell the degree of bolt throw means next to jack squat in terms of whether it will clear your scope. Uber Demanding Rifle Aficionado

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard rusty75 #9110416 08/19/14 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,082 NORTHEAST MISSISSIPPI T TATELAW Campfire Tracker TATELAW Campfire Tracker T Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,082 NORTHEAST MISSISSIPPI Originally Posted by rusty75 Locally I can pick up a vanguard 2 synthetic or mark v synthetic, both in 300 wby for $499. Which is the better gun at same price point? Both are 24" barrel. Thanks I've had a Vanguard S2 that is now owned by a good friend. Great rifle, well built, and accurate. I've never owned a MkV to compare it to. That being said, I've rarely seen a MkV that could be bought for within $2-300 of the same thing in a Vanguard. For value at the same price point, I'd go MkV every day. Those who must raise their voice to get their point across are generally not intelligent enough to do so in any other way.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9110428 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by Steelhead Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... You need to just shut up and take notes. I've learned a ton on this thread: -90 degree bolt lift is a huge problem requiring re-engineering of the "standard" bolt action. Mauser was a putz, in other words. And everyone who copied him. -Winchester never made a push feed action -Ruger American is a custom rifle maker -No custom rifle makers use their own actions. I'm going to get lunch, but I expect there'll be even more heretofore unbeknownst facts here when I get back. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9110439 08/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. 10000 Ruger Americans will be sold for every custom rifle ... So what. 10,000 people watch "Honey Boo Boo" on TV for every one that reads an actual newspaper. But if you want to play that game, let's give it a whirl. We'll start with just Ruger, since you mentioned Ruger American Rifles. How many 2-lug bolts do you reckon Ruger has sold, vs. 3-luggers? Now let's look at all major gun manufacturers combined, same question, how many 2-luggers vs. 3-luggers? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9111533 08/19/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 515 thousand acre bog Maine G grumpy7904 Campfire Regular grumpy7904 Campfire Regular G Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 515 thousand acre bog Maine Kenny Jarrett Actions are 3 lug

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard 4ager #9111729 08/19/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by gunner500 Buy the MK-5 then sell it and go buy a Vanguard and a good piece of glass. This. PT Barnum always did love PA and TN; you'll have no problem finding a pigeon... Rah-Jah, I know an old man that would buy a clean MK-V from me in a heartbeat. Trump Won!

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9111954 08/19/14 Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Pappy348 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2013 Posts: 28,714 West of the Blue Ridge Originally Posted by Steelhead Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... Got those in a 13EEE? What fresh Hell is this?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Pappy348 #9112058 08/19/14 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,504 MarineHawk Campfire Regular MarineHawk Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,504 Just my own opinion, but I have had a Rem. 700 BDL in .300 WM for 27 years, and I love it. I also have a Vanguard in .243 Win, which also is a really fine-shooting rifle and functions great. But I bought my first MkV in 2009. I have bought two more bolt actions since then, and they also were both Mk Vs. They're just better to me. To me--it's all in what you like. I have a 7mm Ultra Lightweight that weighs 6-3/4 lbs (not counting scoping) and a .375 Wby DGR that weighs a lot more. I also have a .340 Wby Accumark that is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. I just shot it yesterday, and it always amazes me. The 9-lug design is more difficult to manufacture well and expensive. But it requires a lot less movement to cycle and is so smooth when doing so. Not necessary to be sure, but I like it a lot better than any other bolt I have shot. Just my own preference.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9112282 08/20/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Originally Posted by gunner500 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by gunner500 Buy the MK-5 then sell it and go buy a Vanguard and a good piece of glass. This. PT Barnum always did love PA and TN; you'll have no problem finding a pigeon... Rah-Jah, I know an old man that would buy a clean MK-V from me in a heartbeat. You rang, sir? A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard grumpy7904 #9112309 08/20/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by grumpy7904 Kenny Jarrett Actions are 3 lug shhhhhh..... A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9112355 08/20/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,102 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,102 Texas Originally Posted by Steelhead Here's an even money bet, they guy that invented the shorter bolt left so he wouldn't miss on game and can now mount a scope with a 56mm objective wears these too... SH, like Ingwe-san, many times I hunt in Crocs so should I hunt with 2 lugs, 3 lugs, 9 lugs, or by myself??? Best, GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Steelhead #9112471 08/20/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by Steelhead Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by mathman Never had a problem with either type. Because you never used them , if you had you would have a problem even opening the bolt. Name rifles and scopes in question? This is the question I was answering: Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Almost forgot to ask, has a 90-degree bolt throw ever been a problem for you? Have you ever missed a shot because of the extra 20-30 degrees you had to throw the bolt? THis is what I was answering and why I like short lift bolts You asked about missing a shot because of an extra 30 degrees of bolt lift. I have not missed any shots because of whatever amount of bolt lift was involved at the time. Now if you're asking have I missed a shot because I couldn't open the bolt because it hit the scope, that's a silly question. Whatever the scope, whatever the rifle, I mount the scope so the bolt is operable. My argument is there is a very valid reason for rifles with short bolt lifts. I pointed them out. Done with this discussion Yea, short bolt lifts help when you have a 56mm objective. [bleep] this place is funny Pay attention and read thru the thread that is not what I said [bleep] There is a reason you are a school bus driver , wondering who you paid off in the school district to get even that job Go Gaytors

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Teal #9112480 08/20/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by teal Never had a bolt hit the scope, no matter how it was mounted. Winchester, Ruger, Remington rifles. I assume there's a dumbassed way to do it so they would hit, just that my brain doesn't have a low enough gear to come across that as a viable mounting option. I also cycle my action cup and ball, I don't grip the bolt like I'm holding onto a stick, it simply pivots around in the palm/,meat of my hand. wow amazing . Please list the scopes, rifles and ring base heights and lengths to authenticate this amazing statement.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard smokepole #9112498 08/20/14 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter I don't give a [bleep] about custom rifle builders, none of them use their own actions...... Wrong again. But keep going, you're batting a thousand. 10000 Ruger Americans will be sold for every custom rifle ... So what. 10,000 people watch "Honey Boo Boo" on TV for every one that reads an actual newspaper. But if you want to play that game, let's give it a whirl. We'll start with just Ruger, since you mentioned Ruger American Rifles. How many 2-lug bolts do you reckon Ruger has sold, vs. 3-luggers? Now let's look at all major gun manufacturers combined, same question, how many 2-luggers vs. 3-luggers? WOw you really are a dense one. How long has the RugerAmerican rifle been out compared to their 77 which has been out since the late sixties. If it is made in greater or lesser quantities it does not diminish the fact that a multi lug(more then 2) makes a more accurate rifle, makes mounting scopes that have big oculars and objectives easier and If there is a drawback it is the increased effort on the bolt lift. Now someone get a connect the dots coloring book for the Bus Driving Steelhead so he can figure this out....ah forget that it won't help. 37-7

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9112732 08/20/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA In answer to the OP's original question, I wouldn't buy either rifle. I think you need to have a pretty good reason to sign up for .300 Weatherby mag recoil. It's just not a good move for most people.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9112870 08/20/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 45,996 Colorado Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter If it is made in greater or lesser quantities it does not diminish the fact that a multi lug(more then 2) makes a more accurate rifle..... Pure, unadulterated BS. Or maybe you'd care to substantiate that, since you seem to be big on substantiation? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9112918 08/20/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma Originally Posted by jorgeI Originally Posted by gunner500 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by gunner500 Buy the MK-5 then sell it and go buy a Vanguard and a good piece of glass. This. PT Barnum always did love PA and TN; you'll have no problem finding a pigeon... Rah-Jah, I know an old man that would buy a clean MK-V from me in a heartbeat. You rang, sir? I said 'old man,' not "Stately Gentleman" Trump Won!

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Oldelkhunter #9112929 08/20/14 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 38,858 Flyover Country Teal Campfire 'Bwana Teal Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 38,858 Flyover Country Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Originally Posted by teal Never had a bolt hit the scope, no matter how it was mounted. Winchester, Ruger, Remington rifles. I assume there's a dumbassed way to do it so they would hit, just that my brain doesn't have a low enough gear to come across that as a viable mounting option. I also cycle my action cup and ball, I don't grip the bolt like I'm holding onto a stick, it simply pivots around in the palm/,meat of my hand. wow amazing . Please list the scopes, rifles and ring base heights and lengths to authenticate this amazing statement. Thought you were done you dumbass. Rifles were listed. Ruger rings were stock, others were DD, don't remember heights - just know I'm not dumb enough to put one on that didn't work. If the [bleep] thing hit - change it. Cripes you need some meds or maybe a 5th grade education. I've seen some real dumb asses on the fire in the 11 years I've been here but you're gunning for top prize. Me

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard gunner500 #9113211 08/20/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Originally Posted by gunner500 [ Rah-Jah, I know an old man that would buy a clean MK-V from me in a heartbeat. You rang, sir? [/quote] I said 'old man,' not "Stately Gentleman" [/quote] well, appreciate the overstatement, but I'll still take it, espcially in a 7 Wby mag! A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard mathman #9113920 08/20/14 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana B BWalker Campfire Outfitter BWalker Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana Mark V's= ultimate dude rifle.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard BWalker #9114902 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Originally Posted by BWalker Mark V's= ultimate dude rifle. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115051 08/21/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska The less one shoots,the "better" the MKV gets. Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Big Stick #9115106 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA Jorge, cool ad. Thanks for sharing. I wish I could get a Mark V at those prices! Make mine the .270 Bee please.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard moosemike #9115115 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida I have a bunch of the old Weatherby Guides with cool stuff like that in them. They stopped publishing them in 1985 and they've become real collector items to those that are into Weatherby rifles. Elgin Gates, General Curtis Lemay, Robert Stack, Robert Taylor, Ike, folks like that. I can find some more at home and post them if you'd like. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115125 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA I'd love it. Any of Gen. Chuck Yeager?

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115195 08/21/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Georgie, That is AWESOME! Do you have the hat too?!? Laughing!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard moosemike #9115278 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Originally Posted by moosemike I'd love it. Any of Gen. Chuck Yeager? I think so, I'll look! A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115378 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Found this: A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115435 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA moosemike Campfire Outfitter moosemike Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 13,912 PA Cool. It was just a year or two ago that I heard Gen Yeager was in Africa on a hunt. Still carrying a Mark V even at his age! But it was a .270 mag and not the .300 he always swore by.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115671 08/21/14 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 95,929 Southern New Mexico E elkhunternm Campfire Oracle elkhunternm Campfire Oracle E Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 95,929 Southern New Mexico Originally Posted by jorgeI I have a bunch of the old Weatherby Guides with cool stuff like that in them. They stopped publishing them in 1985 and they've become real collector items to those that are into Weatherby rifles. Elgin Gates, General Curtis Lemay, Robert Stack, Robert Taylor, Ike, folks like that. I can find some more at home and post them if you'd like. Herb Klein,Nolan Ryan,Roy Rogers are some that I remember. Last edited by elkhunternm; 08/21/14. Life Member SCI Life Member DSC Member New Mexico Shooting Sports Association Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard Ken

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard elkhunternm #9115675 08/21/14 Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,584 Orange Park, Florida Originally Posted by elkhunternm Originally Posted by jorgeI I have a bunch of the old Weatherby Guides with cool stuff like that in them. They stopped publishing them in 1985 and they've become real collector items to those that are into Weatherby rifles. Elgin Gates, General Curtis Lemay, Robert Stack, Robert Taylor, Ike, folks like that. I can find some more at home and post them if you'd like. Herb Klein,Nolan Ryan are two that I remember. Yep, LOTS of gents that I admire and aspired to whilst growing up, both as professionals and in their hunting endeavors. There's a lesson in there... A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9115701 08/21/14 Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 95,929 Southern New Mexico E elkhunternm Campfire Oracle elkhunternm Campfire Oracle E Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 95,929 Southern New Mexico Joe Foss was another who used the Mark V and he was no "dude" either. Life Member SCI Life Member DSC Member New Mexico Shooting Sports Association Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard Ken

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard elkhunternm #9115742 08/21/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Lotsa hands held there...as in all of them. Hint............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Big Stick #9115750 08/21/14 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,351 Denver 30338 Campfire Outfitter 30338 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,351 Denver So true that.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9117505 08/22/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma Originally Posted by jorgeI Originally Posted by gunner500 [ Rah-Jah, I know an old man that would buy a clean MK-V from me in a heartbeat. You rang, sir? I said 'old man,' not "Stately Gentleman" [/quote] well, appreciate the overstatement, but I'll still take it, espcially in a 7 Wby mag! [/quote] , I'll keep an ear to the ground. Trump Won!

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Big Stick #9120758 08/23/14 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana B BWalker Campfire Outfitter BWalker Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana Originally Posted by Big Stick Lotsa hands held there...as in all of them. Hint............... Very much so.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard moosemike #9131972 08/27/14 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,252 Cheyenne, Wy Fotis Campfire Ranger Fotis Campfire Ranger Joined: May 2009 Posts: 17,252 Cheyenne, Wy Originally Posted by moosemike Mark V. For the same price absolutely! I have 9 of them and they all shoot great. Plus they are beautiful rifles. https://thehandloadinglog.wordpress.com μολὼν λαβέ "Weatherby was too long so I nicknamed it "Bee""

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard Fotis #9133309 08/28/14 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,124 Texas S StrayDog Campfire Tracker StrayDog Campfire Tracker S Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,124 Texas I've had both and prefer the Vanguard. The Mark 5 is the traditionally overpriced snob appeal gun with pretty wood. So it was priced up for the wood. If both rifles are synthetic the reason to pay more is out of the equation. It may depend if your personality prefers a Cadillac Escalade over a Chevy Tahoe.

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard StrayDog #9133318 08/28/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,283 Paradise,Alaska Aesthetics is subjective,mechanics ain't. VG by miles................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9133701 08/28/14 Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,628 Midwest SKane Campfire Ranger SKane Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 24,628 Midwest Originally Posted by jorgeI Things change over the years. WWP53D

Re: For even money - which 300 wby - mark v or vanguard jorgeI #9134021 08/28/14 Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 131 Texas O OceanBlue Campfire Member OceanBlue Campfire Member O Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 131 Texas Roy Weatherby was shrewd enough to give away his mark V rifles to celebrities. He even gave one to Jack O'Connor, you can imagine how often he used that one.