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Very nice! The 404J is certainly a really cool cartridge.
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Nice set-up. The 404J shouldn't be too hard to take. Use ammo with the original 2,150 fps to start.
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I just unwrapped the ammunition for my new 500 A-Square rifle....700gr Dead Toughs at 2,250 fps. And you think YOU have issues!!! :-)
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I'll jet flight ya over a gallon of liquid Advil.  Nice rifle OP, congrats.
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I was watching that auction on Gun Broker. The auction ended but it didn't look like anyone bid? Did you buy it? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=435017477
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids  ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/96690012.jpg)
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A Featherweight with an ebony forend tip?
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Tico - classy round in a classy rifle. Makes me want to go out and have high tea with a watercress sandwich while binging on Downton Abby. LOL. All I've got is a blued steel & walnut Rem M798 in .458 Win. Enjoy it. Pip pip! Homesteader
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A Featherweight with an ebony forend tip? Yeah. And a wrap around front sight, island rear, one standing one folding, a barrel band and matte finished. The " ingwe Special" Or if you like slightly more Africa appropriate, how about a Mauser? ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/021_21-1.jpg) Though the Featherweight has been to Africa a bunch more than the Mauser 
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Tico - classy round in a classy rifle. Makes me want to go out and have high tea with a watercress sandwich while binging on Downton Abby. LOL. All I've got is a blued steel & walnut Rem M798 in .458 Win. Enjoy it. Pip pip! Homesteader Mate, absolutely nothing wrong with what you've got. As for as killing elephants, the .458WM is up there with everything else...
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I think ingwe just wants to show off that kudu!!!!!
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I killed a bigger one with an open sighted 8x57 But don't tell anyone�.
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I was fairly impressed when my son thumped this cull impala kneeling at 150'ish yards with an 8x57 of ours. The first critter to drop to the piece. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa437/boxhead61/AfricaMyCamera075.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa437/boxhead61/FN_Wisner_PenHolder004.jpg)
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids W.D.M. Bell is smiling somewhere...
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C'mon guys, this is about a beautiful .404 Jeff, not a so-so 7 or 8 X 57 !!! Show offs! Bob www.bigbores.ca
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" A so-so 7x57"�!!!!  ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/200_s_zpsdfff4e37.gif)
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Jonesing here�big time�. 
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Something more "elephant gun" style. http://www.gunsinternational.com/Merkel-Safari-140-500-Nitro-Express.cfm?gun_id=100433660Realize it's not an English double rifle,but dang it's saaawwweeeetttt!
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25 years ago I had a chance to buy a SxS 7x57 made by Westley Richards, AAA wood, two triggers, ejectors etc�$7,000� my wife ( at the time�) said " can you afford it?" Heres the worst part�I could! I didn't buy it, and instead used part of the money to have a machine built that kicks me in the ass every morning when I get out of bed...
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Hey been there done that my friend. Was at Great Northern Guns in Anchorage with my wife when I saw a beautifully made rifle. The salesman handed it to me and I saw a genuine Rigby 7x57. They wanted $2000 for it. I looked at my wife, she looked at me, and that look was "if you want it...". But I decided not to get it. That was about 15 years ago. Also hand the chance on a genuine .318 Westley-Richards for $2250. I am so dumb sometimes. I did eventually buy a nice one though: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/500_A-Square_At_The_Pit.jpg)
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25 years ago I had a chance to buy a SxS 7x57 made by Westley Richards, AAA wood, two triggers, ejectors etc�$7,000� my wife ( at the time�) said " can you afford it?" Heres the worst part�I could! I didn't buy it, and instead used part of the money to have a machine built that kicks me in the ass every morning when I get out of bed... Ingwe,good grief just good grief!
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I've had it in my head for a while now that I wanted a big bad boy caliber....I don't know why since I will more than likely never go to Africa to shoot something that big but hey I wanted one so what more reason than that do I need? After looking at the 375, 416 rigby and 458 lott I decided those were too common and I was asked to look at the 404 jeffery. After reading up on it and its place in African history I decided I wanted one. I started looking for them online but the price being asked for one was enough that I decided I would have one made for me instead of buying one used. I had discussed the project with my gunsmith and had found a donor and was looking for blanks for the stock before I ran into a deal I just couldn't pass up without the year and a half waiting time so i jumped on it. So here is my big boy gun in 404 jeffery. It is a CZ 550 Safari Classic. As i understand it the action is sent over from the Czech Republic where it is custom made here from that point. Please keep a look out for it in the classifieds after I shoot it :-) ![[Linked Image]](http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc190/aristico/pix720481094_zpsjepnxttn.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc190/aristico/pix234166328_zpsykzfucbv.jpg) Nice .404 you have there. I bought .404J brass some time back, planning on using it for a .416 Howell. After looking at the brass and reading about the Jeffery, I thought about building one, but haven't finished the last project. Are you planning on loading for it?
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Nice rifles Southwind, congrats. 
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids Hey Ingwe: when you're old and decrepit and can't get around anymore, remember your old buddy down in Florida.
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids Hey Ingwe: when you're old and decrepit and can't get around anymore, remember your old buddy down in Florida. so next week?
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Nah, Rattler, I'm trying to play nice...to get the rifle, of course. Once that's accomplished all bets are off.
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids Hey Ingwe: when you're old and decrepit and can't get around anymore, remember your old buddy down in Florida. so next week? I fart in your general direction!
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids KaramojoGwe Special.
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well... ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/475target8-9-14_zps8a1bcb3a.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww127/tex_n_cal/475load_zps49e08e6f.jpg) technically more of a buffalo rifle. But works well with .470 Nitro bullets. I'm still working up loads with the big Woodleighs
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My elephant gun is a 7x57 with 175 gr. solids Hey Ingwe: when you're old and decrepit and can't get around anymore, remember your old buddy down in Florida. Ingwe,I'll give you CASH for that 7x57. So I'm starting at $7.57. 
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Elk, now just a cotton-pickin' minute. I had dibs on a bequest and here you're coming to the table with cash. That just ain't fair!
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Here's my own elephant gun...with a 175gr. ![[Linked Image]](http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz265/mlward_ssa/Ruger_No_1_zps45da2869.jpg)
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Elk, now just a cotton-pickin' minute. I had dibs on a bequest and here you're coming to the table with cash. That just ain't fair! All is fair in gun buying.
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well... technically more of a buffalo rifle. But works well with .470 Nitro bullets. I'm still working up loads with the big Woodleighs You're ready for buffalo Tex.
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Nice rifles Southwind, congrats. Well, wish I could claim ownership but I was just he beneficiary of a test drive of my buddies rifles. He also has a nice Winchester model 70 Custom shop .458 Lott and a .500 Jeffery I have been able to fondle. I am happy with my Model 70 Super Express in.375 H&H but it is nice having a buddy that shares. BTW, the Merkel as seen Elephant action.
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I gave up on big bores long ago though those that show up on second-hand racks after being fired few times disappear rather quickly. The ZKK 602/CZ550 Magnum and Winchester 70 Safari Express seem to be favorite dangerous game rifles of the working classes. The 10.75x73 was very popular in past largely due to relatively inexpensive bolt guns and ammo.
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Elk, now just a cotton-pickin' minute. I had dibs on a bequest and here you're coming to the table with cash. That just ain't fair! Why don't you guys at least wait till I achieve room temperature?
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Elk, now just a cotton-pickin' minute. I had dibs on a bequest and here you're coming to the table with cash. That just ain't fair! Why don't you guys at least wait till I achieve room temperature? Back before leaving my firm, I spent 27 years as a Certified Public Accountant. Just about all my time was in "Family Wealth Transfer Planning" (estate and trust planning). I spent all that time watching spoiled "children" - I use quotes since most of them are waaaaay into adulthood - just waiting for Mom and Dad to kick so they could come into "their" inheritance. And frankly, most of them couldn't wait. Monkey see, monkey do. Think I'll go have a banana for lunch.
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well... technically more of a buffalo rifle. But works well with .470 Nitro bullets. I'm still working up loads with the big Woodleighs You're ready for buffalo Tex. It occurred to me last night, reflecting on the excellent Nilgai meat that Kaywoodie brought to the Quemado gathering, that I really ought to shoot one the weekend before the Campfire Hog Hunt, and take part of it to Tennessee
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If I had one of those the question would be, who would wind up with a worse headache, me or the elephant I think a 500 at 2100 (assuming I can get it there) should be plenty for bufflers, Mbogos, and blue bulls...
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Tex, actually, the 500 A2 isn't bad. Although pretty ugly, the Coil-Chek stock does a lot to mitigate recoil. The surface area of the recoil pad is probably double that of a typical pad, and the comb is rounded and straight. A 570gr brass CEB #13 solid is easier yet, and probably out-penetrates any bullet on the market.
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I've shot a .470 Nitro, and a .577. Lovely rifles. The .470 isn't too bad. The .577 is a beautiful V-C that belongs to a member. I shot it and the first shot made my teeth hurt.  By the way, the .475 Turnbull shown weighs 9 lbs 1 oz, as shown with scope.
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Elk, now just a cotton-pickin' minute. I had dibs on a bequest and here you're coming to the table with cash. That just ain't fair! Why don't you guys at least wait till I achieve room temperature? Well Ingwe,it's like this,stick with me here,it's quite simple,ok,we have more fun taunting you while you are still above ground.
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Very nice! I am partial to the A-Sq. rifles. Mine is on page 3, and I have a little brother to it in a .338 A-Sq. Oh, and I still have two boxes of the 707's left.
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I prefer something with a bit of horsepower, like a 500 A2...707gr solid at about 2,250 fps.
Then you would love that .600 Overkill with a 900 grain solid at 2400 fps. truthfully I didn't find much difference in recoil from the .500 Nitro
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SW, I've had 3 different 600 OK rifles, 2 by Wayne at AHR and one from Bijou Creek. They are great rifles. Although you can, most folks don't load them up to 2,400 fps; 2,150 to 2,250 or so is about right and you don't need the big X-Brake hanging off the front of it like a grenade. Great Elephant rifle if you don't have to walk far, or have a tracker carry it. I had a 700 AHR as well, but between the weight of the rifle and the necessity of using the brake, it was a bit much for hunting.
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Nice rifles Southwind, congrats. Well, wish I could claim ownership but I was just he beneficiary of a test drive of my buddies rifles. He also has a nice Winchester model 70 Custom shop .458 Lott and a .500 Jeffery I have been able to fondle. I am happy with my Model 70 Super Express in.375 H&H but it is nice having a buddy that shares. BTW, the Merkel as seen Elephant action. Helluva deal, on all counts.
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well... technically more of a buffalo rifle. But works well with .470 Nitro bullets. I'm still working up loads with the big Woodleighs You're ready for buffalo Tex. It occurred to me last night, reflecting on the excellent Nilgai meat that Kaywoodie brought to the Quemado gathering, that I really ought to shoot one the weekend before the Campfire Hog Hunt, and take part of it to Tennessee With a chunk of nilgai loin and a case of Becky Creek, you'll be Boss of the hog hunt.
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SW, I've had 3 different 600 OK rifles, 2 by Wayne at AHR and one from Bijou Creek. They are great rifles. Although you can, most folks don't load them up to 2,400 fps; 2,150 to 2,250 or so is about right and you don't need the big X-Brake hanging off the front of it like a grenade. Great Elephant rifle if you don't have to walk far, or have a tracker carry it. I had a 700 AHR as well, but between the weight of the rifle and the necessity of using the brake, it was a bit much for hunting. Awesome, I know we were shooting the 900 woodleighs with IMR4350 but would be surprised if were much over 2000 fps. I enjoyed shooting the rifle all except it had a very light trigger that kind of spooked me a little when dry firing before I shot it. The AHR's are very nice, I was impressed. He left the brake off but I liked how they designed to be unnoticeable when it was not on the rifle. I have to admit though of all my buddies big big bore I probably liked the Merkel 500 Nitro best for comfort of shooting and handling. I don't know if I will ever own anything over my 375 H&H but it's fun to test drive all the others. I have to admit I would like to try the 700 now having shot the 600 OK.
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Gentlemen, I telephoned BroadSword Group LLC who are the owners of anything A-Square, and found they have 500, 570gr. Dead Toughs and Solids left for sale. I purchased three boxes of the Dead Toughs. You may contact them at: http://www.broadswordgroup.com/contact_us.html
You can piddle with the puppies, or run with the wolves...
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With a chunk of nilgai loin and a case of Becky Creek, you'll be Boss of the hog hunt. so next year it's a case of Becky? I thought six bottles lasted us until the last day! I think I can get into a cow nilgai for not much money, so it might indeed be an option. Have to consult with our cookmeisters LT and Dan on what they think...
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Very nice! The 404J is certainly a really cool cartridge. Just a humble suggestion. I don't know their recoil limits but wonderful sight option would be tiny rail plus tiny Aimpoint dot sight with larger dot. I pick cheaper one w/o night vision device coupling capability. The when adjusted correctly the bullet goes where the dot is pretty much independent of stock weld and at appropriate dot intensity setting battery life is equal to shelf life of battery (thousands of hours)).
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Nilgai and Becky Creek! Make my reservations! Noted.
Trump Won!
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With a chunk of nilgai loin and a case of Becky Creek, you'll be Boss of the hog hunt. so next year it's a case of Becky? I thought six bottles lasted us until the last day! I think I can get into a cow nilgai for not much money, so it might indeed be an option. Have to consult with our cookmeisters LT and Dan on what they think... 6 will last unless were consuming nilgai, makes ya thirsty.
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Nice rifle, Tico. I have one like it in .416. It's sitting in the garage with the bedding drying and waiting to have a 2.5x Leupold heavy duplex mounted. Also, have a .404 on a 1917 in the works.
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Nilgai and Becky Creek! Make my reservations! Noted. Gunner, me and you need to spend more time getting lubricated by BecKy! It'll be like a Tennessee three-way�.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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After picturing that, I need to take my brain to the carwash :-)
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Nilgai and Becky Creek! Make my reservations! Noted. Gunner, me and you need to spend more time getting lubricated by BecKy! It'll be like a Tennessee three-way�. oink oink oink, heee-hawwww.
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After picturing that, I need to take my brain to the carwash :-) Sandblaster, car wash wont phase that.
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