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And only case hardening isn't necessarily a flaw as it is able to stretch a bit before it goes kaboom. At least according to a friendly gunsmith who has seen a bunch of actions.


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KISS.

Paul Mauser really got it right the second time around ('98). The 95 is a POS IMO.

Everything since has been arguable "improvement", with the Win 70 pre 64 (I gotta get me one of those sometime...) and the Springfield '03-A3 (had two) being the best of the lot, the Ruger77 being PDG, the Sako being way down the list (wouldn't own one, having gunsmithed a number of them - I'd even rather have a Savage- or a Weatherby!). I also own Rem 700 and 725 (non-Mauser actions), as well. None of them ( '98's or take-offs or Rems), properly maintained, have failed me in the 30-40 years I've owned them.

I really should buy a new rifle.... smile


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Thank you Sir, that's what I was looking for...

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Originally Posted by 458Win
Originally Posted by Spotshooter
Rugers, winchester, FN, ...

Which higher reliability action and why...

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With a little knowledgable attention there is little difference in any of them but as they come from the factory

The "weakness" of the Rugers is their small recoil lug and a safety on the action that possibly could be accidentally be bumped when working the action quickly

The "weakness" of the new Winchesters is their pressed on bolt handle and cutout on the barrel for the extractor that can sometimes cause a jam

The 'weakness" of the FN's is that they are no longer being made grin

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Originally Posted by las
KISS.

Paul Mauser really got it right the second time around ('98). The 95 is a POS IMO.

Everything since has been arguable "improvement", with the Win 70 pre 64 (I gotta get me one of those sometime...) and the Springfield '03-A3 (had two) being the best of the lot, the Ruger77 being PDG, the Sako being way down the list (wouldn't own one, having gunsmithed a number of them - I'd even rather have a Savage- or a Weatherby!). I also own Rem 700 and 725 (non-Mauser actions), as well. None of them ( '98's or take-offs or Rems), properly maintained, have failed me in the 30-40 years I've owned them.

I really should buy a new rifle.... smile



I have had a Sako Finnbear L61 (I think) action for 30 years and have carried it hundred of days both in a scabbard and in my hand, killed dozens of head of game and it is on the third barrel. I have never had a single complaint about it. It sports a good trigger, great accuracy, good looks, it's long enough to shoot full length magnums seated out pretty far and extracts pretty efficiently. I don't have an FN mauser action but would love to. I can't find any problems with the Sako though.


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But, but, but Tony Russ says in his Alaska Bear Hunting book that Mausers should be avoided because they have a tendency to jam!


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The Sako L61R is only a push feed action. The one I am selling only has a trigger safety and not a 3 position safety that controls the firing pin like the M70's.

I got it for $50 back in the 60's and supplied a fine blank and had a smith make a custom stock and install the 375 H&H barrel I supplied. Later I learned that CRF is far more desirable for a hunting rifle and now it's for sale.

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
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KISS.

Paul Mauser really got it right the second time around ('98). The 95 is a POS IMO.

Everything since has been arguable "improvement", with the Win 70 pre 64 (I gotta get me one of those sometime...) and the Springfield '03-A3 (had two) being the best of the lot, the Ruger77 being PDG, the Sako being way down the list (wouldn't own one, having gunsmithed a number of them - I'd even rather have a Savage- or a Weatherby!). I also own Rem 700 and 725 (non-Mauser actions), as well. None of them ( '98's or take-offs or Rems), properly maintained, have failed me in the 30-40 years I've owned them.

I really should buy a new rifle.... smile



I have had a Sako Finnbear L61 (I think) action for 30 years and have carried it hundred of days both in a scabbard and in my hand, killed dozens of head of game and it is on the third barrel. I have never had a single complaint about it. It sports a good trigger, great accuracy, good looks, it's long enough to shoot full length magnums seated out pretty far and extracts pretty efficiently. I don't have an FN mauser action but would love to. I can't find any problems with the Sako though.


You just haven't spent enough time on the floor looking for those itty-bitty bolt parts that are supposed to (and do) make the bolt action "smoother"... smile

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Never had any itt bitty parts fall out! I know it is push feed but it is pretty dang reliable; even feeding Weatherbys


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
But, but, but Tony Russ says in his Alaska Bear Hunting book that Mausers should be avoided because they have a tendency to jam!


Tony has a lot of "interesting" things to say in his books smile

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Originally Posted by 458Win


The 'weakness" of the FN's is that they are no longer being made grin


Although the machines used by FN are still operated in Serbia by a company called Zastava.
Not the fine finish the rifles made in Herstal were given, but still...the base is given wink

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The rifle I have probably carried and used the most over the past 30 years is my 458 that was made by Zastava. They are quite similar to the FN actions that Sako used, with the same trigger.
According to Speed's book Mauser even commissioned Zastave to build M-98 actions for them, complete with Mauser marking, during the 1970's.


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Originally Posted by BCJR
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But, but, but Tony Russ says in his Alaska Bear Hunting book that Mausers should be avoided because they have a tendency to jam!


Tony has a lot of "interesting" things to say in his books smile


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Mausers certainly do jam when the cartridges are loaded backwards and am surprised that Paul didn't address that in the improved 98 design...

Perhaps some of the mauser derivatives like Rutger has that figured out.

Will test that for you all once I wear out the 98s.


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Originally Posted by tomk
Mausers certainly do jam when the cartridges are loaded backwards and am surprised that Paul didn't address that in the improved 98 design...


Belts on cartridges do help with that when things get crazy, fingers are numb, (and/or minds get numb).


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No doubt it was a German idea passed on to the Brits...:)


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Spotshooter,
I read that the Southgate Weatherby actions were made by FN using their superb 300 action.

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Were any of these wonders of engineering produced in left hand configs?


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Talus in Arizona,

you can still get Zastava bolt action up to the 458 win mag ...

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This is a slight aside.
What is the opinion of the CZ550 rifles.
Any experience with them? How do they handle the cold and wet conditions? Are they reliable? Is the set trigger too complicated?
What good points and weaknesses do they have?

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Jorge01,

im not the Phil but a Phil lol.

good CRF version but i still prefer the Zastava.

they accomodate magnum action in an easier way.

they re not that bad but i think they re a little on the heavy side, the magazine trap is made of plastic if it bothers you, specific mounts or rings.

trigger set not complicated but i prefer an adjustable one position.

never heard any issues in the cold nor in the wet.

hope it helps.

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