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Great avatar, vic.

It has done no such thing, apart from immunizations. Pure water and an improved food supply is what is responsible for the bulk of our improved longevity.

I think I can improve on that with a little tweaking.



There. That works a little better.

Thank you, sir.

Not so fast my friend. The Psalms were written about 1000 BC. That was ~ 3000 years ago.
Note Psalm 90:10, "three score and ten years you have and if by strength four score but it will be filled with toil and misery." (Paraphrase mine).
Personally, I believe a good part of the toil and misery we experience is that of the is the slow death due to the infirmities of older age. And particularly,say the last five to ten years of life.
Ever care for older people?
Yes, some diseases are now preventable and treatable but we live no longer. I heard a "scientist" on TV the other day extoll the coming advancements that will lead to much longer life spans. The arrogance. I believe God may have laughed.

TAK, eat an organic banana chased by a glass of pure water next time you need anaesthsia.

mike r

I,m not sure who was doing the census and statistical analysis in 1000 b.c. but they may be right. I do know for sure that at age 67 I would not be enjoying life as I do now w/out a number of medical interventions.YMMV.

mike r

Yep, seventy or eighty years is our normal lifespan, as the Psalm indicates. Where people get confused is in taking average lifespans as normal lifespans. Averages are skewed by infant mortality rates, which in primitive societies were and are very high. Raise folks out of primitive conditions (indoor plumbing, sanitation, hygiene, etc..) and childhood mortality goes way down.

Amazing. Something you wrote is pretty much correct.



Some does, some doesn't. Care to detail for us what the actual pathway through the heart for electricity is in someone with a "normal" pathway?



You need to clarify. In one breath your talk of actual special nerve pathways. Are the PVC's following such? Or, are they just going through heart tissue that is made for contraction, not conduction?



This is good. I await your wisdom.



So, you are referring to the hyper-excitability caused by the caffeine as a "pathway?" Interesting. Wrong, but interesting. The path the electrical impulse takes AFTER a PVC impulse is initiated is not normal, but it has nothing to do with the normal electrical conduction system of a person's heart. That's why it looks the way it does on an EKG.....but you knew that.

You seem to keep forgetting that you've stated that the faulty pathways CAUSE the PVCs. All the dancing in the world won't change that you did say that, and it's wrong.





It still doesn't address the part where you say "damn, I was wrong."

Laffn'

Aaaah, but what YOU said was:




You admit my statement is true.

My (true)statement is in opposition with your quoted and highlighted statement. You agreed that someone with a normal electrical conduction system in their heart can throw a PVC.

That makes your blanket statement: "your pathways are defective" false, since we just agreed one can have PVC's without a defective conduction system.


Meethinks you need to take a logic 101 course.

This took me a minute. It is pretty damn funny though.

The sad thing is, TAK hates me 'cause I called him out when he tried pulling his "your a fat nurse" crap with me, so he simply cannot and will not answer the yes or no question I asked him.

It must kill him inside.

Laffn'

Not only do I not forget, I explain the causal connection. And no, I will not do it for you again. Just reread my many posts on the subject.

Care to point out where the logic is faulty?

There's a subtly that you don't seem capable of comprehending, goalie. I don't believe I can help. All I can say is that it's a good thing you chose a practical, down to earth, type of career, regarding which there's lots of technical information to memorize, but not an excessive degree of mental versatility required.

That is a really odd way of saying "No, I can't find anything wrong with your logic, I must have been wrong."

FWIW, if you think doing the stuff I do doesn't require the ability to think quick while under stress, you are (amazingly) more of an idiot than even this thread has made you out to be.

Aaaah, but what YOU said was:




You admit my statement is true.

My (true)statement is in opposition with your quoted and highlighted statement. You agreed that someone with a normal electrical conduction system in their heart can throw a PVC.

That makes your blanket statement: "your pathways are defective" false, since we just agreed one can have PVC's with a normal electrical conduction system.

Don't worry, goalie. The world needs the Gammas, too, to borrow from Huxley.

Fixed it for ya...

laffin'

That's about as untrue and ill-informed as it could possibly be.

Nothing to worry about folks,the patient died yesterday waiting for hawk to comprehend what was posted.
The funeral will be announced at a later date.